All of these programs even contractual flows have outs. Nothing is guaranteed until you get your seniority number and get off probation.

 

Is there any language in the agreement stating that a candidate is guaranteed a job once the minimum requirement criteria is met? Or is it more along the lines of being "elligible for consideration" for employement?

 

As far as AVIATE and everything like it:

Where there is bait there is a hook, don’t look for the bait, look for the hook.

- Confucius

 

I was a super early Aviate participant. Worst career mistake of my life since my goal (at the time) was UA. They treated us like garbage, I made less money than all of my peers, sat 6 day blocks of airport reserve, wasn’t allowed to call in sick more than 3 times a year under threat of program termination, and then UA told us retroactively that we had to get even more PIC time before we’d qualify for the transition to United. They also decided that my time sitting during covid related training delays didn’t count toward the program. That was when they changed the slogan from “the fastest way to UA” to “the most secure way to UA.”

A buddy of mine went to Republic the same day I went to UAX. Guess who is at UA while my Aviate friends still rot at places like Commuteair or gave up on it entirely. I wouldn’t go to UA even if the CJO came with a Lambo after my experience working under them.

 

C5s airport reserve hell is probably the worst in the industry besides true bottom feeders. It's a shame that hasn't been addressed in the contract. Although I guess big United likes airport standby too. I'm sorry you got stuck there because you couldn't fly enough.
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Aviate, American Wholly Owned Regionals and Endeavor all have the same basic premise. The carrot is an eventual (maybe) no interview job at the partner carrier. For some it even works out.

The stick (and the main point of the program) is to keep you in line. Don't call in sick, fly fatigued, don't push back against abuse, etc.

Go to the airline which hires you but if you have multiple choices go to the program for the Big 3 you would least like to work for then spend all your free time at the regional going to job fairs for the other 2. Hopefully you get hired, if not you have the flow as a backup.

 

Oh I luckily had the timing to bail out of that dumpster fire to a LUVly place that worked out better than UA would have for me in the end a while ago. I do know plenty that are stuck there now though that hiring is back in a dip.

I worry for a lot for the people still coming up through flight training that will follow a path that will potentially stop them from attaining their career goals due to flow BS like this. They get promised a lot without realizing it’s a scam.

 

Imagine the OG CPP pilots that ACTUALLY had to interview for that, to be turned down to the tune of ~75%, just cuz.

It worked like a champ summer 2016-17.

The majority of th ~75% mentioned were all able end up at a good place, many better than UAL for whatever personal reason.

 

I was one of those 75%. It eventually worked out but I probably lost money waiting around when I should have been looking harder, hence my advice to new pilots.

 

at least for the AA WOs, it is a true senoirty based flow. When its your turn, its your turn. Only caveat is that the flow only happens when AA is running classes. So right now, with classes being paused, flow is paused. But thats it. Just do your job like any normal person, don't do anyting really stupid and you'll get called when its your turn in line.

 

That's sorta true except for the people that get fired. I know at least one and it certainly wouldn't have happened with a real union. The bar for really stupid is much lower than it is at normal airlines.