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Old 06-28-2007, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Joepa84 View Post
Does "duty-rigging" juice your pay that much? I just sat and played with the pay calculator for skywest and could not create a legal situation where $50,000 was earned, on the second year pay. (about 15k off actually.) Just curious, SKW may be my new no. 1 if work rules are that good.
You need to learn about our credits. I do hope that I don’t confuse anyone and if you have any questions then just ask. I love numbers!

We get a guaranteed 3:45 each day, so if we fly/deadhead 1 leg that day we still get 3:45. After that we’re guaranteed block or better and at least 1/2 of our duty day up to 6 hours (so an 8:48 duty day has at least 4:24 of pay, we can make more if we block more, “block or better”). If scheduled beyond 12 hours of duty then we get paid every minute beyond twelve on top of our block or minimum guarantee for 12 hours. Example: 14 hour duty day with 4:50 block pays 8 hours. How? Take half of the 12 hours = 6 (6 hrs of credit is greater than the 4:50 block) plus every minute over 12 = 120 minutes or 2 hours (14-12) which adds up to 8 hours of pay. The only way you can make more is by blocking more, so...... lets say you blocked 8:23 (legal if scheduled 8 or less with no changes) on the day (which is much more likely at SKW for a 12+ duty day); take the 8:23 of block and add it to the 2 hours of duty scheduled over 12 hours and that gives you 10:23 minutes of pay. We also get full pay for deadhead and until ATL opened up we had a lot of trips that began and ended with a deadhead to or from ATL, about 4 hrs of non-block pay each way (doesn’t count against your block for the month). Regardless of ATL we have a lot of pairings (trips) that have deadhead time and on reserve you’ll deadhead a lot.

IF on reserve then you have a guarantee of 75 hrs of pay. In order to get more you must block (not credit) greater than 75 hours. Don’t get confused about that, payroll does. The month I had IOE I sit reserve in DEN of 2 weeks. Of that time I actually only sat reserve for 3 days, I work the rest which added up to 86 hours of block for the month. Once you break block they go back and adjust your pay to reflect the credit numbers I explained above, when a pilot breaks block he/she is entitled to full pay just as a line holders is. That month I had 24 hours of credit that was added to my block of 86 hours for a pay out for 110 hours. Now, each reserve day counts and 3:45 mins of credit pay (3:45 x 20 reserve days = 75 hr guarantee). If you don’t break guaranteed monthly block (75 hrs) then your paid monthly guarantee regardless of what you blocked and you end up loosing all your credits; but once you break 75 hrs block any day you sit reserve and don’t fly you get paid 3:45 mins added on as pay credit (NICE!!!!!!). So of the 24 hours credit I got paid beyond my 86 hours of block, 3 days were reserve or 11:15 (3:45 x 3 days) was reserve credit.

This is what my schedule looked like as far as block and credit (what we get actually get paid) for May, June and July.

May: 86 hrs block and 115 hrs of credit, 14 days off
June: 92 hrs block and 109 hrs credit, 13 days off
July: 96 hrs block and 117 hrs credit (includes July 4th holiday pay), 15 days off.

In July I was originally schedules 76 hours of block and 88 hours credit with 18 days off but I pick up open time.

You may ask how I can have such high block with so many days off, well I'm senior enough to hold really high paying trips and I believe that if I'm at work then work the hell out of me; I like it. Plus it leads to more days off. Also keep in mind that PBS built my lines less than I blocked and credited but we have so much open time (thanX Mesa) that I pick up some "CHOICE" trips that had high credit with low block & were commutable.

Our pay policies are a bit complex, at least they must be cause you need to keep you eye on payroll, their a bunch of idiots and screw ups.

My first pull year with SKW I made $29,543 (included per diem) and I’m on pace to easily do $50K my second year. My last 6 paycheck have all been over $1800 a piece AFTER TAXES! Not bad for a regional!

I hope I wasn't to flighty or confusing, if you have any more questions then just ask.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:37 AM
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OKay, so it is pretty complex over there...But, I would imagine when it deals with your money you pick it up pretty quick. I get how it is possible though now. Thanks for you help.
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:56 PM
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Take the lear job.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:01 PM
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Take the lear job.
Why are you doing this to me? I had almost made up my mind!

Well, I'm gonna meet with the guy offering the Lear job tomorrow morning. I plan to be straightforward and just say that I require $45k, paid training, and 10 hard days off per month. Should he acquiesce to my reasonable demands, then I'll take it. (Also, is Lear 31A to a major airline a realistic expectation? Or is there another step along the way?)

Otherwise, I think SkyWest is the way to go.

And then, 5 business days later, at least I have a Republic interview on the 10th.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SongMan View Post
Could you tell me the web address for this technical forum. I am an A&P and have been looking for such a forum.
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Sorry, I meant to reply to you sooner. The forum I was talking about is on this website, just in the Technical section. If you click on the link under the logo banner that says Airline Pilot Central Forums, that'll take you to the top level, and from there you'll find it in the second group of forums, under Pilot Lounge. (See, if you lurk here long enough, you know it all by the time you start posting.)

Alternatively, http://airlinepilotforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=58. Goes to the same place.

You might have already found it, though.
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir View Post
(Also, is Lear 31A to a major airline a realistic expectation? Or is there another step along the way?)
If you have connections, it could work. But there is some preference for 121 experience for off-the-street people.

Also some majors now require turbine time in a larger airplane, something like 35,000lb + MGTOW. I don't think the 31 qualifies...you should look at the web sites of some of the majors you might be interested in to get a better idea on this.
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KingAirPIC
When I went to a recruitment event last month they said SkyWest has an attrition rate of about 200-250 pilots a year. That's about all I know about it...
[HTML]That's significantly less than most regionals but that is still quite a bit. I'm kind of surprised.[/HTML]

What is the attrition rate at other similar regionals (ie XJT or Comair)?
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Old 06-29-2007, 01:08 PM
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Well it looks like if you figure out the system you can do fairly well. How well does SKYW deal with Air National Guard guys, (oops or gals) taking off to fly with thier unit?????
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Old 06-29-2007, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir View Post
Well, I'm gonna meet with the guy offering the Lear job tomorrow morning. I plan to be straightforward and just say that I require $45k, paid training, and 10 hard days off per month. Should he acquiesce to my reasonable demands, then I'll take it. (Also, is Lear 31A to a major airline a realistic expectation? Or is there another step along the way?)
Is that for a Lear FO? If so, I'm gonna bet he'll tell you to scratch. The pay might be workable(and the paid training is a no brainer), but 10 hard days in part 135 or 91 ops is pretty hard to come by. No schedule, so they want you when they need you. If you want to go mainline, regional is going to be the standard way.
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Old 06-29-2007, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bigskyflyer View Post
Well it looks like if you figure out the system you can do fairly well. How well does SKYW deal with Air National Guard guys, (oops or gals) taking off to fly with thier unit?????
Well no employer can discriminate or otherwise "punish" an employer for Military Service...So if you join while already employed, you should be golden. I can't answer for coming in to the company already a reservist/guard...
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