stickwiggler

I don't know this, but many people feel that they put that in the contract with no intention of flying them. That maybe management did that as tool to cap the pay to make the regional guys fly them. Here's the argument that supports that.

Regional jets at Legacy carriers don't work. per seat mile cost is higher with less seats. The only way Delta is going to make money with their more expensive work group, labor contracts, rules and general attitude of how many people it takes to get the job done, is by flying bigger airplanes (which is the trend at Delta) not smaller.

Why would Delta management give regional airline managment that they do
not own such a tool? 1. The are the puppet masters...... 2. The cost would eventually get passed on to the Legacy when ALL regional pilots pay goes up.

I don't know if you know this, I'm not even sure if it's true, but I heard the rate they agreed upon was $95 an hour. That's less than ASA makes for the 70. I can't see a Delta pilot flying a bigger plane for less pay than an ASA pilot in a smaller plane. Infact, I'd bet the farm against that.

Stick

Flyer00

Ellen, as someone else posted...make sure you get the correct info before you start something. Here is the link to the judge's actual decision, read it for yourself...as a matter of fact pass it along to all your friends

http://www.skywestalpa.org/documents/Judge.Breyer's.Opinion.and.Preliminary.Injunction. pdf

Skypest got their press release out first for a very obvious reason, to MISINFORM all the kool-aid drinking skypest pilots. It's that law of primacy thing--get it out there first, oh wait...a bunch of those skypest people upgrading in 6-8 months probably never had to instruct, and don't know what that means :^) (Tongue in cheek folks)

As for the pay issue people keep talking about...it's called raising the bar for a reason, it DOES effect everyone else. I highly doubt skypest would be getting paid what they are if it hadn't been for the ALPA contracts before them (Comair, ACA, ASA, AWAC). Now what does skypest give back to everyone....flying f'n 90 seat airframes for a 5% override!! Thanks guys! I really want to fly a 90 seat airframe for $65. Thanks!

If skywest pilots want to take the chance of getting bent over by mgmt without representation, go right ahead. I really don't give a crap if you want to vote in ALPA or not...just quit being sell-outs!

TonyWilliams

Not sure what the current drop in SKW stock price is, but the first day that it dropped significantly a few days ago, there was a court ruling against SKW concerning where to park the E120's at LAX.

rickair7777

Insulting a bunch of folks who you are trying to convince to join your union may not be the brightest idea. You're starting to remind me of the useless clowns on the MEC at my last airline.

SKW hiring mins (still 1000/100) means that almost everyone was a CFI at some point.

Upgrade mins are still 2500 w/ 1000 turbine crew so anyone upgrading in less than 18 months almost certainly was a military pilot or an escapee from another alpa regional.

Work rules and bonuses mean that a $65/hour at SKW goes a lot further than $65/hour at most other carriers. Pretending otherwise is ludicrous and it's like arguing with a 2 year-old..there's really no reason to bother.

SKW is in the top 10-20% for rregional compensation, not the very best but certainly not dragging things down like several alpa regionals that I could think of. I know that my numbers are correct here because I researched the heck out of it before I changed employers.

Why don't you go do something productive and take your anger out on ornstein and your fraternal brothers over at mesa? They are the ones who really deserve it, especially anyone who took a job there in the last year!

Airsupport

dude wtf, you have been at skywest for like 2 months right?? you are still brand new, and on probation i am sure. you know nothing about what skywest needs, you have probably only gotten 3 paychecks from them. what do you know about the industry and what needs to happen. you know nothing. you are still spilling out the management propaganda. you think uncle jerry has your best intrests in mind? omg man.

anyway i have changed my opinion on skywest as far as alpa goes. i officially don't care whether they join or not. i won't see any more money if they do join. but i do think it would be in their best intrest to join and have legal representation. of course skywest is a top tier regional now, but when others keep moving ahead and negotiating new contracts, skywests pay wont move (ask my friend on the bro over there how much his pay raise was!). i honestly do agree with ellen for a change, which i have never done before. skywest is heading for a down fall. i have already told you guys what happened in marathon,fl, and now i have found the same situation is happening in 3 other cities where skywest/asa is being kicked out and someone else being brought in. my friend was in a meeting with j.a. a couple weeks ago and the strains between delta and skywest are really starting to show. don't be suprised for some more announcements to come. and like i said they wont be good. the stock price is on its way down, investors are getting leery (sp), and the industry is in turmoil. a united airlines merger is coming and who knows how that will screw things up.. just something to think about.

Flyer00

#1, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything. Like I said, if you guys don't feel you need the protection...don't vote for ALPA. I could care less if you are ALPA or not, just help raise the bar.

#2, You can not tell me that skywest hasn't hired anyone under those mins. There are people on this board who will attest to it, as they have done it. Maybe now it can be covered up by people from the bottom of ASA's list transferring over because of losing their flying, and being replaced by 500 hour pilots at ASA...but ASA is owned now by skywest...so that means that skywest is hiring 500 hour pilots. Technicality, maybe, but its the truth. Either way, like I said, it was tongue-in-cheek humor directed more at the entire industry.

#3, All other ALPA/Teamster carriers have work rules, we all have rigs and guarantees (although some might be better than others), so you can throw that comment out. But, your comment is actually helping support my point...other ALPA carriers do NOW have worse work rules and pay rates than they had in the past. That was caused by the downward pressure of regionals undercutting other regionals, pilots selling out so they could get growth and fast upgrades. That brought down all the ALPA carriers who helped make the gains that everyone else reaped. Skywest might be in the top 10-20% right now, but what are they doing to try and take it higher? Why accept where its at now?

I hope your bonuses add up to a lot, an $8/hr difference (skywest-RAH) based on 75hr guarantee for the month equals roughly $7200/yr. Does everyone get the same bonus? Is it more than $7200? If it were a bonus, wouldn't you be better rewarded for your hard work to have that on top of your much better bottom line wage? What's going to happen to your bonus if the stock tanks? Bottom line...did Southwest sell out their pay rates just because they have profit sharing and bonuses??

Lastly, this is nothing personal or directed at only skywest. This thread is a "skywest" thread, and thus my attention is directed at skywest. Trust my, I have similar feelings about other carriers ALPA, Teamster, or whatever. As for Mesa, they at least can say they sold out to stop an alter ego, what can skywest say they sold out for? Growth based on picking up the flying that was taken away from other ALPA carriers who did try to stand up for what was right?

Flyer00

It seems like this thread is disappearing...but I have heard a lot of reference/justification in regards to the "bonus" that pilots receive at skywest...just curious if anyone can actually answer this with real numbers?? BTW, the above figures were actually wrong...its a $9/hr difference between a 5yr 900 capt at skywest and a 5yr 175/190 capt at RAH. That puts the number closer to $8000. Anyway, can someone please correct me if I'm wrong??

rickair7777

I suspect the work rules at SKW make up for some of that difference.

$5000 in bonuses would be a reasonable ballpark bonus number for a 5 year SKW RJ CA, maybe even $8000 if a couple of quarters turned out good.

bender

BTW it's SlyWest, and I'm the only allowed to call them that. If you want to quote RAH 175/190 numbers why don't you also mention that their FOs fly 90 seat aircraft for 37 seat wages?

POPA

We had that at TSA: 10 early, 10 late.