PilotBases

Why staple when legacies can just hire as they are right now, with everybody coming at Day 1 seniority/longevity? Pilots are only one part of the puzzle. Not super hard for AA to create an ERJ category and hire guys there. Hey they already did once upon a time!

highfarfast

Which is why I think the legacies will eventually bring in their regional planes (or at least some of them) in house without bringing the WO seniority list with them. A lot less headache to just hire the guys you want with a gradual equipment transfer from one certificate to another. I could see them pull in the two class airplanes like the E175 to mainline and leave the single class airplanes like the E145 at the regionals. Regionals would vastly shrink but would preserve the model for the future, or at least until the airplanes don't flat out wear out first.

rickair7777

Yeah that could happen, would make sense. Especially since there's absolutely nothing in current scope which would prevent the majors from sending the 70 seaters BACK to the regionals in 15 years.

TransWorld

Still be less of a pain that a buy out or merger of two mainline. I have seen TWA into AA. Even the current merger out there. Those would be bigger and with more commotion that adding the WOs.

Round Luggage

Because it is very very hard to grow one hire at a time.

pangolin

The death of the regionals would let mainline order the E2 aircraft. Nothing stops then from doing that anyway but they aren’t doing it. Why not?

Hedley

Even with the new pay rates, farming that flying out is still cheaper. If all flying went mainline, the legacy company would have to pay even more for all labor groups, pay the cost of adding a fleet type, and sacrifice the ability to shift flying back to the lower cost regionals in a down turn. The regionals aren’t going anywhere, they’re just going to get smaller…….. for a while.

overqualified52

It really wouldn’t cost Delta that much more to pay the other 3500 Endeavor Employees “mainline” rates considering there are 80,000 Delta employees. They are already paying 9E pilots more than what was listed on Delta pay scales for 76 seat flying plus the retention pay . You gotta figure that every bit of flying that Endeavor can’t do because of shortages on Captains , that flying would have to then be done by a 717 or 220 which would cost Delta even more in labor costs . It actually would be cheaper to bring all the 9E employees and RJ’s over to mainline contrary to what people might think. If Delta could just “get rid” of Endeavor and all RJ’s and do all the flying themselves , don’t you think they would have done it by now instead of spending 500 million thus far to keep Endeavor going ? But maybe I just don’t know the complete optics of it but they wouldn’t have spent that kinda dough if it was that simple .

LAXtoDEN

You’re beating a dead horse. Why didn’t you take the flow to a Delta? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Seriously why didn’t you take the flow if you’re so obsessed with being stapled? Something’s not adding up.

PilotBases

A220-300 can fly 130 people, you’re spreading the cost over a jet nearly twice as large as a CRJ9.

year 4 223 Capt= 303/hr, that’s $2.33 per seat
year 4 EDV 900 capt= 160/hr, $2.1 per seat

Figure a DL 900 Capt would be more than 160, there’s no benefit to “bringing the 900s over”. I’m all for the flying being in house, but it wouldn’t be worth it to fly 76 seat jets.

Honest question, and you don’t have to reply, but why didn’t you flow if you want a staple so badly. I assume you’re senior so you’d probably have flowed in the first six months and have a furlough-proof (maybe??) amount junior to you by now.

I don’t see why a legacy would fly a jet limited by scope, no benefit to flying CRJ/ERJs that were built crippled in the first place.

I think they’d gladly just fly whatever RJs they can at an RJ operator with whoever sticks around to keep the lights on. Even a small company of 40-80 jets outsourced is cheaper than bringing it in. Why kill what still works?