Are FO's still getting hired?
04-29-2024 | 02:20 PM
#51
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I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
04-29-2024 | 05:13 PM
#52
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From: Gear slinger
I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
04-29-2024 | 06:05 PM
#55
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I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
04-29-2024 | 09:23 PM
#56
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I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
I'm assuming your AF, is the 975 coming from primary + secondary time?
04-30-2024 | 10:05 AM
#57
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05-01-2024 | 07:08 PM
#58
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The Envoy recruiters aren't pilots and it's possible they made a mistake. They are more accustomed to seeing RATPs through degree programs at 1,000 hours. I do know Envoy will not interview with less than RATP/ATP requirements but other airlines like SkyWest will. They may have just seen your hours and made a hasty veto without checking military requirements.
05-03-2024 | 09:20 PM
#59
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PM Me. I'm a AF Guard guy currently at a regional and spent months making sure all my hours were kosher according to the FAA regs and I can look at your logbook for you.
05-04-2024 | 08:37 AM
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Maybe becuase of the 250 PIC requirement is the issue since it your a copilot and dont have 250 aircraft commander time?
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