Question about PIC time
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You are over thinking this. Its a 91 leg that (I will assume) you have all the requirements to act as PIC in that aircraft. If that is the case, you would not think twice if it was a C-172 or Piper Archer...If its a KA90 or Pilatus, doesnt make a difference If you are legal to fly it, log it PIC. When you show up to the interview, your logbook will simply say N1234X, 2.2tt, 2.2 PIC etc. They will review the log book to make sure you have the hours. Thats it. Its 91, legal to log, make it more complicated than that and be ready to answer the questions when they ask. If you need those hours to meet the TT or PIC requirementsu, according to the FAA, you are legal to log it. If they ask you, y.ou just say those hours are logged in accordance with FAA regulation.......
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They've stated at job fairs that they'd don't want 'sole manipulator' PIC time included in the PIC totals you provide. They want 'Captain' time, and not FO time acting as PF, as PIC time. To them 'pilot in command' is exactly that and not 'pilot flying' time.
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Originally Posted by Sliceback;[url=tel:3993801
3993801[/url]]They've stated at job fairs that they'd don't want 'sole manipulator' PIC time included in the PIC totals you provide. They want 'Captain' time, and not FO time acting as PF, as PIC time. To them 'pilot in command' is exactly that and not 'pilot flying' time.
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So you are flying with a buddy in his 172, he says "I'll let you fly us", can those hours be logged? What if you have all of the ratings and endorsements to fly a C-310 and your buddy has you fly, who is PIC? C-421, same question, KA90, TBM900? The TYPE of plane doesnt matter (assuming you are appropriately rated). What if you buddy RENTS the airplane from a flight school (he is technically responsible) and has you fly the 172? "Sole manipulattor time" would only come into play for 135 legs or legs in an airplane you manipulate the controls but are not appropriately rated.
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So you are flying with a buddy in his 172, he says "I'll let you fly us", can those hours be logged? What if you have all of the ratings and endorsements to fly a C-310 and your buddy has you fly, who is PIC? C-421, same question, KA90, TBM900? The TYPE of plane doesnt matter (assuming you are appropriately rated). What if you buddy RENTS the airplane from a flight school (he is technically responsible) and has you fly the 172? "Sole manipulattor time" would only come into play for 135 legs or legs in an airplane you manipulate the controls but are not appropriately rated.
final authority as to the operation and safety of an aircraft, with full control and authority over the crew and aircraft during flight. This authority allows the PIC to deviate from regulations in emergencies to ensure safety, but they must notify ATC and send a report afterward if deviating from an ATC clearance.
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I would say say that sole man time counts as total time if you are a required crewmember which includes student. That's usually how it's done in light piston planes, there's a CFI with you so you're getting dual.
If two bros want to be build twin time, the work-arounds are take turns giving each dual (questionable legality) or take turns doing safety pilot (totally legal). BTDT.
Probably. But you might encounter a logbook nazi at a regional or major airline interview, it was a thing back in the day. I'd guess today majors are more focused on your recent history. Also I have heard lately of regional new-hires getting through the interview team, getting hired, and getting through training only to have the APD decline to do the checkride because something wasn't right in the logbook. It's not something obvious like short of total time, it's going to be some technicality about some logged time not being applicable to ATP mins... while the HR lady might gloss over something like that, a APD cannot and will not let it slide if he catches it.
The issue is if you say you have 200 hrs of TPIC and it's all co-pilot sole manipulator and you don't even have a high-altitude endorsement. The real distinction is jobs that require an ATP (not just 1500 hrs and ATP written). Aside from regionals, big airplane employers mean FAR 1 when they ask about PIC.
Also it's been recently clarified by the FAA that in order to log dual received, there must be some legit instructional purpose. That's pretty generous... all of the obvious cert & rating training BFR, IPC, landing currency, any reasonable refresher, area fam, or aircraft fam training is good. But doing the same 91 repo leg every night for a year or two and logging it as dual probably isn't going to fly. You could log it once or twice as route, area, or aircraft fam.
#27
People go down the rabbit hole like it’s Alice in Wonderland.
Think of PIC time as Captain time, are you the CA? Log PIC.
If you’re not then log SIC and in the comments section put you flew the leg.
I don’t care what you think I log
Think of PIC time as Captain time, are you the CA? Log PIC.
If you’re not then log SIC and in the comments section put you flew the leg.
I don’t care what you think I log
- PF
- PM
- PIC
- SIC
- Dual received (SIM)
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