Pilot shortage article
07-29-2007, 05:32 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by GravellyPointer
Nope I bet your regional FO W2 he DOESN'T, not short haul anyway.
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07-29-2007, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
And you're excited about that $19,500???
07-29-2007, 05:53 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by saab2000
Laziness?
Incompetence?
Arrogance?
Ignorance?
The so-called 'regionals' are full of all of the above.....
And 9/11 is not a legitimate excuse. It is used by management as an exuse for their mismanagement and inability to adapt, but it is not a real reason.
Airlines around the world (which are for the most part not state-run entities) are making record profits and paying properly for their employees. Only the US airlines, and third-world airlines, are run like third-world companies.
The best run airline in the US BY FAR is SWA. Followed by UPS and Fed-Ex and CAL.
Incompetence?
Arrogance?
Ignorance?
The so-called 'regionals' are full of all of the above.....
And 9/11 is not a legitimate excuse. It is used by management as an exuse for their mismanagement and inability to adapt, but it is not a real reason.
Airlines around the world (which are for the most part not state-run entities) are making record profits and paying properly for their employees. Only the US airlines, and third-world airlines, are run like third-world companies.
The best run airline in the US BY FAR is SWA. Followed by UPS and Fed-Ex and CAL.
I have been doing some research on Lufthansa, KLM and several other European carriers and they seem to have been doing just fine over the past several years. The work ethic in general seems to be much better in places like europe and even japan.
The US is supposidly a world leader but I just can't see that, especially with the airlines. The US airlines are by far the worst in management, customer service and treatment of employees. I sure hope things get back to pre 911 standards, or better, and why not!?! Why would the airlines not want to make things better than pre 911? This is the US. Businesses are suppose to move forward, not backwards.
07-29-2007, 06:16 PM
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I have a friend who is a long haul truck driver and he only comes home about once every two months. Hes stays out to make money but the sad thing is he will probably barely make 30,000. The company he works for makes it near impossible to get benefits. I used to work at a grocery store so I would talk to all of the truck drivers. The only ones that make good money are the ones that never go home. Trucking is one of those jobs that makes it near impossible to have a family. Now my uncle worked for ups and was home everynight and made about 77,000 a year. It took him many years though to get that postion and had worked very hard for it.
07-29-2007, 06:45 PM
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Let it be known !!
Let it be known that all who seek an airline job will be rewarded as such, however it will be for less pay and worse working conditions.
Every time the airlines get into a bind finding employees their solution is not to raise pay but to lower the minimums. If the deficit continues they will eventually start hiring cadet pilots, train them from scratch and then make them indentured servants to a massive training contract.
All the while grown up and experienced pilots sit on the sidelines. There is no pilot shortage only a shortage of people foolish enough to do it for the compensation offered. High school kids however will do almost anything to escape college and McDonald's. Brace yourself for the next generation.
SkyHigh
Every time the airlines get into a bind finding employees their solution is not to raise pay but to lower the minimums. If the deficit continues they will eventually start hiring cadet pilots, train them from scratch and then make them indentured servants to a massive training contract.
All the while grown up and experienced pilots sit on the sidelines. There is no pilot shortage only a shortage of people foolish enough to do it for the compensation offered. High school kids however will do almost anything to escape college and McDonald's. Brace yourself for the next generation.
SkyHigh
07-29-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
Im sorry if you sensed excitement in my post, just meant that we make more than truckers and its easy to make more than 40k as a regional F/O
07-29-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
If the deficit continues they will eventually start hiring cadet pilots, train them from scratch and then make them indentured servants to a massive training contract.
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As for pay ever going back up... who knows. I only would hope...
07-29-2007, 06:53 PM
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Nic eto see a little publicity on the issue. I know when I started my little break from the airlines I joibed the service at the lowest paygrade and with bennies took a pay raise. That's as an enlisted guy at the bottom of the list. I had been flying a CRJ.
07-29-2007, 07:05 PM
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Military?
Originally Posted by 402DRVR
Nic eto see a little publicity on the issue. I know when I started my little break from the airlines I joibed the service at the lowest paygrade and with bennies took a pay raise. That's as an enlisted guy at the bottom of the list. I had been flying a CRJ.
Not only do military personnel receive awesome benefits but it is often overlooked that almost every other expense is covered as well. Military people receive housing, food and some form of clothing allowance. In contrast a new regional pilot earns a similar wage but has the added burden of living expenses and often a huge student loan as well.
A soldier can save almost every dime of their wages plus can expect to retire in 20 years. Good luck coming even close as a pilot. By the time a military enlisted person is ready to retire the pilot hasn't even reached a major yet and still had many years left to pay on loans.
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