Its amazing that you just got on pinnacle property like less than a month ago and you seem to konw everything about how a contract works. I would be willing to bet that you know nothing about the current contract that you are working under. And by the way nwa is pulling those aircraft, and just so you know for every aircraft that you guys add to do flying for another air carrier, nwa can and will pull one of your crj's away, so you probably wont be seeing any net gain. Maybe MAIR will buy you and then you can really have fun...By the way stop blocking the alley's in DTW or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Must you criticize everything anyone says about Pinnacle? Please add to the discussion instead of ripping away at what people say. I would be willing to bet you don't know what's going on at Pinnacle but what do I know I'm just an ignorant new hire . Please give me a break.

 

I guess you also don't know what you're talking about. It's not 1 airplane we get NWA will pull 1. It's 2 airplane we get NWA can pull 1, and if I read it right, they can't even start pulling airplane (because of the 900's from Delta) until we get at least 20 airplanes. Take a look at the ASA:

"Northwest may remove one aircraft for every two aircraft that Pinnacle operates for another partner above an initial base of 20 regional jets. Northwest may remove no more than 20 aircraft subject to this option and no more than five aircraft in any 12-month period."

Yeah because you guys don't do it pushing off the "C" gates, or trying to come in the back way with those 900's

 

funny cause there was a saab yesturday brokedown in the alley way holding everyone up... dont you guys wait till the engines are started to disconnect the tug??? had to wait for ever for someone to haul that saab back because everyone knows that mesaba ground personel in dtw and msp suck and are the worst ground workers in the system.. i mean come on, waiting 30 min infront of the gate just to be parked is a joke.

nwa is not removing any aircraft from the fleet, the sept schedules are out, the fleet size is published, aircraft bases and locations are all out, and everyplane is accounted for. supposed to start pulling in sept right? not happening. if we don't fly them becuase of lack of staff we pay penalties to nwa. if you dont fly them because of a lack of staff,, well then nwa just loses out and gets nothing and the planes aren't flying.

this is all correct. sigep hasn't read the contract completely or he didnt understand it. what he is thinking is that if nwa wanted to give us 900's they could exchange them for 200's on a 1 for 1 bases.
there will be a net gain in planes, on the numbers i have seen i figure we will have 172 planes on property (delta and nwa) by the end of next year.

 

So just what is the story on the LAX and SLC bases? Is there a reliable source on this or just another random rumor?

 

pinnacle will be flying 900's for delta out of atl, scl, and lax. they didn't sign a 10 year agreement with us to just fly 17 planes out of atlanta. there are more planes coming and they will be divided among the three bases.

 

Geez... I leave this thread for just a few days and it gets all heated! Airsupport cleared up the air on the contract and ASA. The mins are low, just like everywhere else. This is not a new event. The contract issue is still here and will be until mgmt sees it in THEIR best interests to get something accomplished. My hope and estimate is by Feb 08- I think the DAL flying starting in Dec will force mgmt to come to the table and play ball. The entire pilot group (including myself) has frustrations- mainly over the contract issues and flying more than we all would like. I love to fly but 95+ block hours a month is getting a bit old. This "pref-bid" PNCL now uses makes us really efficient to the company, but not efficient in our own personal lives. I have now dwindled down to NO weekends off and only 11 days off! I was holding at least half the weekends, 2-day trips, and more days off. If you want the fast upgrade and a bunch of hours in a hurry with a great group of guys then this is a great place. A career regional- FORGET IT! The contract Will come- its inevitable, but when/what is still up for debate. The pilot group is united, angered, and ready for some job action. The mins are low because its an entry level job- accept that. Majors, fractionals, corporate/charter gigs, and the cargo operators keep hiring our CA's and in some cases our FO's. New hire classes are still going on and the 250 or sub 500 pilot is not the norm, just as the 2500TT/25 year old NH at a major is not the norm- but it happens. If you don't like it then don't apply, don't jumpseat on 9E, and don't buy a ticket on a "airlink" operated flight. There is always a solution to a problem, but complaining and trash talk gets nothing but more problems... Let me know a solution besides a contract and I will "pass it on".

 

Airsupport,
I'm not sure about that Delta flying. I thought the contract was for 17 900s with maybe 8 more. While it's true Delta wants more 900's, I thought they could spread the next 30 to whoever they want (Skywest?). Do you know different, or are you just really hoping that Delta picks Pinnacle to do more of the 900 work?

 

as far as i understand skywest is getting their last plane this month. the contract is for 17 planes, and if you read it (i cant remember the link where its at, but when i find it again i will post it) we will also be "rewarded" more planes and flying based on performance.. i can bet you dollars to doughnuts that we already have plans to fly in slc and lax. our company already filed a request with the dot for flights into and out of several west coast cities, such as lax, boi, phx, etc, etc... i can tell you right now we wont be doing an atl-lax flight in a little ole 900. so the flights would have to originate out west somewhere... plus my "sources" still say that we will start with smaller bases in slc and lax, and that little by little more and more planes will be added.

 

How many Delta connections are there? You have to hand it to management......they have done an incredible job of strike proofing the hubs.

Forget about any delta connection carrier trying to improve working conditions or increase pay rates! They will just move flying around between all of the carriers.

Where was the leadership when we all needed it?