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Old 11-03-2009 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
Is that good or bad? And how about captains? Do they just need FO's in CVG?
Just Fo's no Ca vacancies. Guess it depends on your point of view wether it is good or bad. There are a few guys that would rather be reserve in CVG since they live there than have a line and commute up to JFK. CVG-JFK is a rough commute.

Me personally, I'm not going back to CVG...hoping 33 folks senior to me take them.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 09:21 AM
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This is sickening, look at the graph at the bottom.


Regional airlines thrive while the big boys cut back - USATODAY.com
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Old 11-03-2009 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by andy171773
...Who in their right mind would want to pay an entity that you 100% own the cost of doing business..when you could pay a little extra for a direct competitor's new billboard saying how much Delta sucks and that you should fly their shiny jets?

I don't know about you, but why should I pay my son $10 a week to mow the lawn, when I could pay the neighbor $20 a week to do the same job...It just doesn't make sense.

PSH and you pilots think you understand economics
Problem is, a better analogy would be "why pay my son $20 per week when I could pay the neighbor $10 a week to do the same job..." That is a better representation of the issue Delta has...that being said, I agree that you should keep as much in house as you can, because there are advantages to that beyond simple cost per block hour, much like there are long term advantages to paying your own son, even if it cheaper to pay the neighbor in the short term.

But the point of my post is to point out that your analogy is inaccurate.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Problem is, a better analogy would be "why pay my son $20 per week when I could pay the neighbor $10 a week to do the same job..." That is a better representation of the issue Delta has...that being said, I agree that you should keep as much in house as you can, because there are advantages to that beyond simple cost per block hour, much like there are long term advantages to paying your own son, even if it cheaper to pay the neighbor in the short term.

But the point of my post is to point out that your analogy is inaccurate.
How is his conclusion inaccurate? I heard of some of the bidding Comair bid on to fly for Delta and they were very competitive. Delta still farmed the flying out. When Freddy boy gave the flying to Comair when Mesa was screwing up and told them to hire 300+ pilots for that R.A. shut that down quick and gave it to Mesaba, whose cost are the same if not comparable to Comair.
Inaccurate? Sir I respectfully disagree with your conclusion of these facts. from the time this merger was annouced and a reporter mentioned the Comair name, you could see R.A.'s strong dislike for Comair. I think the slow slide to oblivion has begun for this airline, and unless the stockholders get R(eally) A(nal) out of Delta's board room, this new Delta will not last 10 years.

Still trying to figure out why the hell you would put someone who ran Northworst into the ground in charge of an airline that was doing relatively well before that fool came along.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by On Autopilot
and gave it to Mesaba, whose cost are the same if not comparable to Comair.
Inaccurate?
Do you really think Mesaba and Comair have similar costs?




P.S. Yes I'm a Mesaba pilot on your own thread but I don't mean this in a ****ing-match sort of way.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Problem is, a better analogy would be "why pay my son $20 per week when I could pay the neighbor $10 a week to do the same job..." That is a better representation of the issue Delta has...that being said, I agree that you should keep as much in house as you can, because there are advantages to that beyond simple cost per block hour, much like there are long term advantages to paying your own son, even if it cheaper to pay the neighbor in the short term.

But the point of my post is to point out that your analogy is inaccurate.
You missed the sarcasm of his post. It's supposed to be bas-ackwards. His analogy is the Delta way.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Problem is, a better analogy would be "why pay my son $20 per week when I could pay the neighbor $10 a week to do the same job..." That is a better representation of the issue Delta has...that being said, I agree that you should keep as much in house as you can, because there are advantages to that beyond simple cost per block hour, much like there are long term advantages to paying your own son, even if it cheaper to pay the neighbor in the short term.

But the point of my post is to point out that your analogy is inaccurate.
Difference between crew costs for airlines are not the issue. The differences are like 3-8 bucks an hour. If the knuckleheads that tried to recall our reps last year had their way we would be working for less. They wanted to take pay cuts to preserve jobs, lot of good that has done here.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Problem is, a better analogy would be "why pay my son $20 per week when I could pay the neighbor $10 a week to do the same job..." That is a better representation of the issue Delta has...that being said, I agree that you should keep as much in house as you can, because there are advantages to that beyond simple cost per block hour, much like there are long term advantages to paying your own son, even if it cheaper to pay the neighbor in the short term.

But the point of my post is to point out that your analogy is inaccurate.
Skywatch
You make a good point, but you are forgetting the fact that any profit Comair makes ($109 Million last year) goes to the bottom line of Delta. That in itself makes Comair a more profitable option than contract carriers even though the cost per block hour is a little higher at Comair. Please check your facts before you call someone else’s facts inaccurate.
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Old 11-03-2009 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Problem is, a better analogy would be "why pay my son $20 per week when I could pay the neighbor $10 a week to do the same job..." That is a better representation of the issue Delta has...that being said, I agree that you should keep as much in house as you can, because there are advantages to that beyond simple cost per block hour, much like there are long term advantages to paying your own son, even if it cheaper to pay the neighbor in the short term.

But the point of my post is to point out that your analogy is inaccurate.
To be realistic, we would be looking at paying your own kid $11 and taking $1 back as rent (net loss $10), versus paying the neighbor kid $9.98.
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Old 11-04-2009 | 05:52 AM
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After the pay raise in December of this year, Mesaba will be second most expensive next the Comair. Comair will still be the most expensive and then Mesaba second. Compass is one of the cheapest, in fact cheaper than SkyWest or ASA. What this means to the future of Comair, Mesaba or Compass, I do not know.
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