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07-14-2012 | 06:10 AM
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From: 330 FO
You're amazing. In "all" of your commuting you have only had problems on two jumpseats...this me throwing the bullsh*t flag at you. Or, you're an unimpressive liar. Anyone who commutes on average sits in at least four to eight jumpseats a month...so do the math...that's a lot of jumpseats to only remember the two Comair jumpseats that you "had problems." But, I am certain you will say some lie about you haven't commuted that long or you just started commuting or some other erroneous fact to justify your statement.
Me, I have sat in thousands of jumpseats for the last decade of 121 flying. The amazing thing is, I have met some truely incredibly kind and gracious pilots (thanks to the DL guys who got me home for the birth of my daughter...thank you) and I have met some real dirtbags (the all DL crews who made me ride side saddle in the 75 jumpseat to JFK and spent the 1.5 hours trying to belittle me and my position at Comair while I sat there and stared out the window thinking about what I was going to do on my days off). The other funny thing is, I have had very similar experiences on numberous other airlines, so I find it difficult to believe you have only had the magical "two" problemed Comair flights.
Yes...this is me questioning your integrity. You should stop posting on this forum. You are making my profession look bad.
Me, I have sat in thousands of jumpseats for the last decade of 121 flying. The amazing thing is, I have met some truely incredibly kind and gracious pilots (thanks to the DL guys who got me home for the birth of my daughter...thank you) and I have met some real dirtbags (the all DL crews who made me ride side saddle in the 75 jumpseat to JFK and spent the 1.5 hours trying to belittle me and my position at Comair while I sat there and stared out the window thinking about what I was going to do on my days off). The other funny thing is, I have had very similar experiences on numberous other airlines, so I find it difficult to believe you have only had the magical "two" problemed Comair flights.
Yes...this is me questioning your integrity. You should stop posting on this forum. You are making my profession look bad.
The first guy, I didn't say anything, just let him vent.
The second....well when the FO said that he agreed with Lawson and defended him, I spoke up.
I'll let you get back to "your" profession.
07-14-2012 | 07:23 AM
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From: CRJ Captain
The sad part about this is that we all know where these airplanes are going. Probably along with our 16 900's. Its sad that they are going anywhere but I would expect an announcement coinciding with yours that says GoJet is getting at least 28 more planes
07-14-2012 | 07:40 AM
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From: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
We all get painted with the same brush. I started class at Comair three weeks before JC wrote his letter. Coming from corporate flying, my due diligence came up with nothing but rainbows and unicorns. Lots of growth, great contract, future was bright. ASA was stagnant and there was a 6-month wait for a class date. Oh well.
Lucky for you that your MEC has never done something you vehemently disagree with.
I've "gotten into it" with dozens of DAL crews. Or, I should say they got into it with me. Almost all were MD-88/737 crews. Even at the height of the furloughs, the 757 and bigger crews seemed oblivious to what was going on. I took no offense, it was their buddies that were being furloughed. A close friend of mine, who had encouraged me to go to Comair, was one of the Delta furloughs. I didn't mind being lectured, yelled at or ignored, about the strike or the RJDC or other things I had no involvement in, all I wanted was a ride to work. Funny that years later, when a MD-88 captain denied me the jumpseat out of JFK simply because I was a Comair guy, most other Delta guys were all spun up about Delta letting Republic fly for/against them out of DEN. I got home 1.5 hours late, no big deal.
It doesn't much matter now, does it?
07-14-2012 | 07:59 AM
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From: "if it's got wings, I can crash it".
Very nice Capt........All I hear from people like JAY is blah blah blah. Just tell me if I an ride in your precious plane or not, that's it. As a commuter I'd never deny a jumpseat to ANYONE (yes even GoJet) for the reason being, I'm a commuter. My beef has always been an will continue to be with DL mgmt. They are the only ones that stand to gain financially from this mess. The Pilots don't figure into this at all. The "bad blood" amongts both groups stems from a very few -from both sides- playing the "who's got the biggest penis" game. Everybody else is just collaterla damage. JAY5150, you need some anger mgmt sir. Good day.
07-14-2012 | 09:03 AM
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From: CL65 Left
Very nice Capt........All I hear from people like JAY is blah blah blah. Just tell me if I an ride in your precious plane or not, that's it. As a commuter I'd never deny a jumpseat to ANYONE (yes even GoJet) for the reason being, I'm a commuter. My beef has always been an will continue to be with DL mgmt. They are the only ones that stand to gain financially from this mess. The Pilots don't figure into this at all. The "bad blood" amongts both groups stems from a very few -from both sides- playing the "who's got the biggest penis" game. Everybody else is just collaterla damage. JAY5150, you need some anger mgmt sir. Good day.
07-14-2012 | 10:24 AM
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From: OH CA - Retired
After a while it begins to sound (to the rest of us) like two kids:
"Did."
"Did so."
"Did."
"Did so."
"Did."
ad infinitum ad nauseum.
07-14-2012 | 10:49 AM
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TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATE: December 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATE: December 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
07-14-2012 | 11:00 AM
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From: A350
I hate ALPA at the regionals too. I hate that my dues money goes down to the regional level in buckets. Alpa cannot serve two masters. It doesn't work for either group. BTW, I've never denied a jumpseat. I've never berated a CMR jumpseater, but... CMR pilots will live with the bad blood from JC letters for a long, long time. Many will not "get over it".
07-14-2012 | 11:02 AM
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From: Captain
Doubt it, what 200s they going to trade? Financing ?Crews?
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