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It was unrealistic for CMR to think that the DL furloughed pilots should have to give up their SN #s. Equally unrealistic for DL to think that CMR should swallow a $20k training cost for a pilot who is going to leave in a few months. Sad that both sides have people that just won't let go. The CMR guys and gals were sadly faulted for the actions of a MGMT and 2 Union leaders. I was hired less than a month before JC wrote that letter, but I was constantly questioned and hammered on my commutes. Most of the time, it was only the flight time before I had both DL pilots in the completely the opposite opinion of me from when I got on board and asked for a ride. ( I used the Jedi mind trick) Sometimes it was more severe, as is the case for the one of the two DL FO's on the ramp retrieving our bags, who thought his point would be made if he poked his finger into my chest. A great majority of the DL guys and gals were great! I was always considerate and ASKED for a ride, never assuming it was a given. I was never denied.
The only really bad experience was on a DL 767 flt from MCO to ATL. Prior to TOD, the CA had to use the loo, and told me to sit in his seat. I said no more than once until he snapped and yelled at me. So I sat in his seat and just enjoyed the view outside. When he came back, I started to move and he put his hand up and took a seat on the jumpseat. Approaching 10k, I am getting very uneasy when he finally decides to take his seat back. As we trade seats he says "I just thought you should try out the seat since it will be the only time you ever see the left seat of a 767". Yep, zero exaggeration on my part. Years later having chatted with a DL Chief, I learned that I had I been anywhere near the type of person he obviously was, I could have reported him and it would probably have stopped just short of him losing his job, but maybe that too. I wish I had written his name down. After a few minutes of walking through the ATL terminal, I was no longer upset or angry. I just chalked it up to his sad life and the fact that his wife was cheating on him every time he went to work.
I don't, or won't fly on DL anymore, but it is strictly because of the MGMT. JB earned my business treating me like gold as a commuter for years to JFK. It may amount to a bit less than a 1k a year in tickets sales, but that is 1k DL MGMT will not see from me ever. I would rent a car first.
The airline industry is very much like the current state of U.S. Government. The pilots NEED to understand that they, and their unions, run the aviation industry, not MGMT. When all stand together, the suits lose. They can lose little, or in the case of the CMR strike, they can lose big. Do you know how much LESS the life of the CMR contract would have cost than the strike?? It was substantially less, as in tens of millions. I was hired far after the strike, btw.
I have also moved to greener pastures, and I should probably thank DL MGMT for that part at least. Things are far better on this side of the planet than they were in the U.S.
Clear skies and smooth flight to all.
CMR FO/CA/FO 2002-2008
It's a regional. It was meant to be a revolving door. If a regional is so concerned about pilot attrition, they can try and force a training contract that specifices a duration of staying (12 months, 24 months). Nothing stops that from happening.Originally Posted by PILOTGUY
No need to go Jay. Understanding this debacle that had gone on for years is difficult when not everyone has all of the facts. It was unrealistic for CMR to think that the DL furloughed pilots should have to give up their SN #s. Equally unrealistic for DL to think that CMR should swallow a $20k training cost for a pilot who is going to leave in a few months. Sad that both sides have people that just won't let go. The CMR guys and gals were sadly faulted for the actions of a MGMT and 2 Union leaders. I was hired less than a month before JC wrote that letter, but I was constantly questioned and hammered on my commutes. Most of the time, it was only the flight time before I had both DL pilots in the completely the opposite opinion of me from when I got on board and asked for a ride. ( I used the Jedi mind trick) Sometimes it was more severe, as is the case for the one of the two DL FO's on the ramp retrieving our bags, who thought his point would be made if he poked his finger into my chest. A great majority of the DL guys and gals were great! I was always considerate and ASKED for a ride, never assuming it was a given. I was never denied.
The only really bad experience was on a DL 767 flt from MCO to ATL. Prior to TOD, the CA had to use the loo, and told me to sit in his seat. I said no more than once until he snapped and yelled at me. So I sat in his seat and just enjoyed the view outside. When he came back, I started to move and he put his hand up and took a seat on the jumpseat. Approaching 10k, I am getting very uneasy when he finally decides to take his seat back. As we trade seats he says "I just thought you should try out the seat since it will be the only time you ever see the left seat of a 767". Yep, zero exaggeration on my part. Years later having chatted with a DL Chief, I learned that I had I been anywhere near the type of person he obviously was, I could have reported him and it would probably have stopped just short of him losing his job, but maybe that too. I wish I had written his name down. After a few minutes of walking through the ATL terminal, I was no longer upset or angry. I just chalked it up to his sad life and the fact that his wife was cheating on him every time he went to work.
I don't, or won't fly on DL anymore, but it is strictly because of the MGMT. JB earned my business treating me like gold as a commuter for years to JFK. It may amount to a bit less than a 1k a year in tickets sales, but that is 1k DL MGMT will not see from me ever. I would rent a car first.
The airline industry is very much like the current state of U.S. Government. The pilots NEED to understand that they, and their unions, run the aviation industry, not MGMT. When all stand together, the suits lose. They can lose little, or in the case of the CMR strike, they can lose big. Do you know how much LESS the life of the CMR contract would have cost than the strike?? It was substantially less, as in tens of millions. I was hired far after the strike, btw.
I have also moved to greener pastures, and I should probably thank DL MGMT for that part at least. Things are far better on this side of the planet than they were in the U.S.
Clear skies and smooth flight to all.
CMR FO/CA/FO 2002-2008
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The pilots NEED to understand that they, and their unions, run the aviation industry, not MGMT. When all stand together, the suits lose.
Absolutely false. Management and the government run the aviation industry, not pilots or our unions. Not until the day that we have a national seniority list will we ever run the aviation industry. Most pilots are individuals who have self-serving interests, and really no unity for the 'greater' good.The pilots NEED to understand that they, and their unions, run the aviation industry, not MGMT. When all stand together, the suits lose.
