Having a union is a TERRIBLE excuse for why an airline deserves more than another. BTW, isn’t the name of the game to always raise the bar for the other groups which intern returns the favor? But since you asked why I feel we deserve more than ASA here you go; we are the original SKW, we are the reason why they were able to even buy ASA, we are among the top if not #1 in EVERY category of productivity (ASA's among the lowest), we took a leap of faith voting down representation multiple times and we've always been extremely pro-Mgmnt. The way I see it, they owe us and they owe us big.

Wake up man!

 

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

Sorry, to many exclamation points, I'm afraid any more would set duvie off!

 

How long have you been at Skywest?

 

I ask because I don't think anybody at ASA (or anywhere else in the industry) owes you anything. I doubt you have been there or even flying long enough to understand what low bidding companies like yours do (like putting others on the street). You really aren't any better than Mesa was 2 years ago.

 

That's irrelevant, but longer than you're probably thinking.

I do agree with most everyone, we need representation and we need to get in the game. Unfortunately the ALPA vote failed but voting NO for this BS pay proposal will send a message to St. George. We've bent over backwards for you (no pun intended) and now we expect what we're owed!

 

We are all low bidding companies, Nationals and Legacies included (customer pricing, routes and frequency). How do you think XJT got the DAL LAX flying and RAH got Frontier? That’s just the way the regional world works and for someone whose talking like he knows what he's talking about you sure are proving you don't have a clue.

As for your first sentence, it's SKW that owes us not the other airlines and definitely not the industry. Just how did you get otherwise out of my last posting?

I mean no offense so please don't take any, but are you for real or did you just miss the boat? You seem to think that having a union means your worth more, that there are no low bidding airlines, that we at SKW think we're better than everyone else and that they all owe us because we think we're better. There are some slick haired punks here that may feel we're better, btw they have them at EVERY airline, but 99% of us just to make an honest living and further our futures as best we can. Why do you have such a problem with us, is it jealousy? No it can’t be…………..it should be!

 

Because a company looks at what their emplyees do. A union offers legal action and protection. A company doesn't want that. When the pilots vote it down they send a message that they are selfish and not looking out for the whole. The company now knows that 65% of the pilot group is happy with current conditions. So now they aren't obligated to make them any better. What the pilot group does as a group shows how much the company can bend them. Take Pinnacle for instance. They were approved to strike. If the opportunity comes, and they back down now after all the publicity, the company will know they can walk right over them. A strike isn't anything they want, however since it has been approved they need to do it should it come to that.

 

That's out of line. Way out of line. SKW is still a great company currently. I don't believe anyone has said otherwise. We talk of union because while they might be great now, the door is wide open for management to do their will if things go sour. JetJock what was on your last W2 and at what pay grades? I'm willing to bet that it was more than mine. At SKW and XJT you'll make more than here at RAH. We're fighting to fix that and I'll walk in a heart beat if that's what the pilot group decides to do. However we all have something to offer that the other doesn't. SKW is still a top tier regional. My opinion of course. SKW, XJT, RAH lead the pack. However SKW doesn't have to stay a top tier. If management wants to screw them they now can. Doesn't mean they will... We were just hoping to eliminate the easy of them doing so.

 

OK, I agree so now we're somewhat on the same page. As for the SJSers, we did hire over 1000 pilots in 1.5 years so I'm sure there are a lot of them packed in there, but all I can do or anyone else can do is educate them one pilot at a time with the hopes that down the road they can become a productive part of our society.

Good night all, I have to wake up early in order to fly my companies DC9 ............... errrrrrr CR9 for pathetically low wages tomorrow so that I can continue to pack the time into my logbook with the hopes of one day landing a National/Legacy job. LOL!

Good Night ALL!

 

JJ- with ALL DUE RESPECT, please I am not trying to bash you here, but isn't the proposal in front of you telling you something different than the attitude you (very properly) display in your final comments? This is America, land of competition and greed. That is fact, and these entities are out for themselves. The "1950's scene" is long gone, if it even ever existed to begin with as far as labor/management relations. It is true that they owe you big- MAG owes my pilot group big as well but we keep getting dumped on every step we take. Be careful; if my spidey senses are right, there may be changes afoot at SKW and this may be the tip of the iceberg.

OR, tomorrow the management team might wake up and slap themselves in the forehead and say "What were we thinking fellas? We have to right this wrong, and we better do it 21 skadoo before the pilots get too mad!" Pardon my MAG-bred skepticism but I don't think that will happen.

Y'all have had a good run of it and lucked out with a good management team up to this point; things change, people change, companies change. Perhaps it is a function of how large the pilot group has become- the "mom-and-pop" mentality (we love our employees) of the SkyWest of the past may be a thing of the past.

The only problem is that with the no vote for the union y'all now have 2 years to be vulnerable to these kinds of attacks. This is just the pessimist in me speaking from nearly 5 years of 121-tough-love at MAG. I know, I know:
year:
1: L
2: O
3: S
4: E
5: um... R

Yes, I'm almost a 5-year loser!


Of course, we at MAG with our big fancy union and all just keep getting dumped on and dumped on... aw heck. Who knows what the answers are, but going it alone and relying on the gentlemanly resolution of contracts because they should know that they owe you is a fantasy I can only dream of being a part of.

G'luck! I hope there is good news soon because all us MAG bottom feeders look to the hotshot regionals like SKW for inspiration. Is that why we probably lost 150-200 pilots to you in 07?