SKYW: Pay Proposal -- Voted NO today.
01-21-2008 | 08:36 PM
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http://www.bizjournals.com/twincitie...8000%5e1559068
Dec. 4th 2007
Pilots at Pinnacle Airlines, a partner of Northwest Airlines Corp., authorized a strike Monday, according to the Air Line Pilots Association International.
The pilots, who operate regional flights as Northwest Airlink for Eagan-based Northwest (NYSE: NWA) and as Delta Connection for Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL), will "conduct a lawful withdrawal of service if contract talks with management do not result in an agreement and both sides are released to economic self-help by the National Mediation Board," according to an ALPA release.
99 percent of the 1,200 pilots voted in favor of a strike, according to the association.
"After nearly three years of negotiations, during which Pinnacle Airlines has continued to post a profit and increase its flying with the new Delta Connection Air Services Agreement, our pilots have had enough," said Scott Erickson, chairman of the Pinnacle pilots unit of ALPA, in a statement. "Pinnacle pilots haven't had a raise in several years, and we've seen very little progress from management in negotiating a contract that recognizes our role in the success of this airline."
Pinnacle pilots and management have been negotiating for a new contract since February 2005. The parties entered mediated negotiations in late September 2006.
"It's a high priority for us to get a deal done," said Pinnacle spokesman Joe Williams. "Our pilots deserve it, and on more than one occasion, we thought we had a deal. We have confidence in the union leadership and look forward to getting back to the table."
Based in Memphis, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (Nasdaq: PNCL) is the holding company of Pinnacle Airlines Inc. and Colgan Air Inc. The company overall employs about 5,000
Pilots at Pinnacle Airlines, a partner of Northwest Airlines Corp., authorized a strike Monday, according to the Air Line Pilots Association International.
The pilots, who operate regional flights as Northwest Airlink for Eagan-based Northwest (NYSE: NWA) and as Delta Connection for Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL), will "conduct a lawful withdrawal of service if contract talks with management do not result in an agreement and both sides are released to economic self-help by the National Mediation Board," according to an ALPA release.
99 percent of the 1,200 pilots voted in favor of a strike, according to the association.
"After nearly three years of negotiations, during which Pinnacle Airlines has continued to post a profit and increase its flying with the new Delta Connection Air Services Agreement, our pilots have had enough," said Scott Erickson, chairman of the Pinnacle pilots unit of ALPA, in a statement. "Pinnacle pilots haven't had a raise in several years, and we've seen very little progress from management in negotiating a contract that recognizes our role in the success of this airline."
Pinnacle pilots and management have been negotiating for a new contract since February 2005. The parties entered mediated negotiations in late September 2006.
"It's a high priority for us to get a deal done," said Pinnacle spokesman Joe Williams. "Our pilots deserve it, and on more than one occasion, we thought we had a deal. We have confidence in the union leadership and look forward to getting back to the table."
Based in Memphis, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (Nasdaq: PNCL) is the holding company of Pinnacle Airlines Inc. and Colgan Air Inc. The company overall employs about 5,000
01-21-2008 | 08:39 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
TD, do you know what being released to strike means? It takes more than your quote to get it done.
"Take Pinnacle for instance. They were approved to strike"
You say approved. Who approved it?
"Take Pinnacle for instance. They were approved to strike"
You say approved. Who approved it?
01-21-2008 | 08:46 PM
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Let's assume that your assertion is true (that lower productivity = better QOL). I think JetJock might be saying that because we are more "productive," (meaning we perform at a higher level according to some metric) we expect (dare I say.... deserve) more compensation. A tradeoff of sorts, perhaps.
But I haven't heard too many complaints on QOL at Skywest, except maybe from folks on reserve (such as myself).
But I haven't heard too many complaints on QOL at Skywest, except maybe from folks on reserve (such as myself).
01-21-2008 | 08:51 PM
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Replace "approved" with "authorized" then if that's what it takes for you.
Who approved/authorized it? I put it in bold in the story. "Pilots at Pinnacle airlines authorized a strike".
Before this turns into word picking everything apart so someone can somehow in some fashion try and make their point of view founded I'll go ahead and say that for the record yes I understand what needs to happen for a strike to take place. I was saying that the pilots in their group have made a unified voice on the subject. Should it come down to it then they need to stick together and do as they said they would. If they don't then management will know that they A)aren't going to stick together and B)are all talk and no action.
This was in response to previous post about SKW and was a brief example. No more thread drift on it is required. If for some reason someone feels like debating over the use of the word "approved" instead of "authorized" then I'd rather just have the posts deleted.
Now back to the original poster at who it was aimed. Just because most pilots are upset that SKW didn't vote a union doesn't mean that we look down on SKW or their pilots. We have our differences over one subject but that doesn't mean they are a bad company, currently, nor that the pilots there are to be looked down on by any means. So far I've seen them compared to Mesa and talked down to by someone from Mesaba. Both of these are out of line and uncalled for.
P.S. Good job on the NO vote guys. Any word on if these opinions are company wide or just the few that manage to get on here? We're cheering for you.
Who approved/authorized it? I put it in bold in the story. "Pilots at Pinnacle airlines authorized a strike".
Before this turns into word picking everything apart so someone can somehow in some fashion try and make their point of view founded I'll go ahead and say that for the record yes I understand what needs to happen for a strike to take place. I was saying that the pilots in their group have made a unified voice on the subject. Should it come down to it then they need to stick together and do as they said they would. If they don't then management will know that they A)aren't going to stick together and B)are all talk and no action.
This was in response to previous post about SKW and was a brief example. No more thread drift on it is required. If for some reason someone feels like debating over the use of the word "approved" instead of "authorized" then I'd rather just have the posts deleted.
Now back to the original poster at who it was aimed. Just because most pilots are upset that SKW didn't vote a union doesn't mean that we look down on SKW or their pilots. We have our differences over one subject but that doesn't mean they are a bad company, currently, nor that the pilots there are to be looked down on by any means. So far I've seen them compared to Mesa and talked down to by someone from Mesaba. Both of these are out of line and uncalled for.
P.S. Good job on the NO vote guys. Any word on if these opinions are company wide or just the few that manage to get on here? We're cheering for you.
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01-21-2008 | 08:56 PM
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The only two SKW pilots on here that said they're going to vote YES are Slap and TW. Where as I believe; Bla, ANP, Rick, JJ (myself), Seatown, EngOut, KingAir, CopCar, FlyingHunter, ExpAB, SharkAir, Seatle, otter, wafly, duvie, ficone, reelbig and a few others a all voting NO on this BS pay package.
01-21-2008 | 08:57 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"Replace "approved" with "authorized" then if that's what it takes for you"
Words mean things. So, yeah, that's what it takes. Thanks for helping us to understand that you understand, though, that was really the whole point.
"If for some reason someone feels like debating over the use of the word "approved" instead of "authorized" then I'd rather just have the posts deleted."
You have the ability to delete any post you make. Knock yerself out.
Words mean things. So, yeah, that's what it takes. Thanks for helping us to understand that you understand, though, that was really the whole point.
"If for some reason someone feels like debating over the use of the word "approved" instead of "authorized" then I'd rather just have the posts deleted."
You have the ability to delete any post you make. Knock yerself out.
01-21-2008 | 08:58 PM
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01-21-2008 | 09:01 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
You mean like making a post say <deleted content>?
Same difference I guess.
As a mod, I won't go back and delete content that a user finds embarrasing when they can effectively do it themselves.
Same difference I guess.
As a mod, I won't go back and delete content that a user finds embarrasing when they can effectively do it themselves.
01-21-2008 | 09:16 PM
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Thanks for helping us to understand that you understand, though, that was really the whole point.
TD, do you know what being released to strike means?
I don't believe anything in my statement was inaccurate. What I've stated was backed word for word in several articles. I even dug a few up just to make sure. I said that the Pinnacle pilots were approved to strike and they were. At no point in anything I wrote did I say otherwise and I'm not responsible for anyone's false interpretations. Well no more than the multiple articles it was featured in anyway.
Take Pinnacle for instance. They were approved to strike. If the opportunity comes, and they back down now after all the publicity, the company will know they can walk right over them.
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