Does the fact we're all underpaid mean we should be happy about it?

 

.ARGH.....

Can you see the results in real time, Tony? Where does it say the number of votes so far? How did you see that? If you're right in your prediction, I'll have to call SHENNANIGANS!.

 

The problem is you got guys like this going to bat for you, no offense to Mr. Williams, but a second year f/o doesn't have the chops to negotiate anything....enter the background and experience of a real union, such as ALPA, Teamsters, take your pick......seriously, you guys deserve much better, this industry deserves much better. Good luck to you guys, I hope it gets voted down.

 

It depends on what you get paid and what tax bracket you are in. It could be as little as $0 or even as much as $700. Either way, if you are able to deduct your dues, the fact remains that your effective dues rate is less than the 1.95% that some of you Skywest keep using as a comparison to ASA pay rates. Also, let me remind you that not everyone pays dues at all. Probationary pilots (one year or more) pay ZERO dues and non-members pay nothing as well (unless their MEC policy requires a shop fee - 1.45%). Its NOT an apples to apples comparison because of that and because the dues money pays for a whole lot more than negotiating pay rates.

That is all I was trying to say with that.

I believe Mr. Williams has previous union experience. A union that has thee most contentious relationship with their employer right now. So I don't know if the second year f/o comment was justified. In any case, he was democratically elected into office, he can be democratically elected out of office. Maybe he can even be recalled before then?

 

Once again, this isn't intended to offend anyone, he might have previous union experience, good for him, and good for the represented masses. I still stand by my statement, that you have a much better chance when you have the backing of an organized entity that specializes on negotiating and identifying managements tactics.

Let's face it boys and girls, management at any company is out to look out for their investors first (public or private), then their employees....it's naive at best to believe that good magement-employee relations equate to management looking out for the best interest of it's employees. For better or for worse the union factor balances that equation, but only when the union is independent and not under the direct influence of management.

 

Wow, you know what my negotiating experience is? Or that of the actual folks who did the actual face to face negotiating. Or what my union experiences are?

Interesting, but your spewage is not surprising.

 

Paranoid, eh? Not only can I see how many votes there were so far, so can you... maybe, I should be paranoid !

 

I still participate in THAT union, and will be in Washington, DC next week shaking hands with congress critters, spreading the good word. Nice to have an airline schedule that is so easy to manipulate.

Why would I be recalled? So far, I'm promoting what the majority seem to want... against ALPA at SkyWest, and the pilots agreed, 2 to 1. I voted to send this to the pilots, which again, I believe will be passed by roughly the same ratio.

Care to bet on that?

 

The byproduct of your union's negotiations speak for themselves. As I stated on my post following that comment, if you have negotiating experience good for you and the folks you're representing, but I still stand by my statement regarding the backing of an entity with years of experience.

I have no ill will towards you or anyone at your company, the only thing you're guilty of is poor taste on your avatar Who is that anyways? Put a girl up or something more pleasant to look at.

Best of luck.

 

You are correct in your belief JJ At least as far as my vote is concerned. FYI, I did not vote for ALPA, but that's only because I am so new there that the ALPA vote was before I even started class.

I _may_ have not voted pro-ALPA since I think mgmt deserved the benefit of the doubt (hey, they deserve at least one chance from a new guy right?). But it was almost implied that keeping ALPA out meant good things for us non-mgmt types (not saying it won't eventually - like in terms of growth or QOL somewhere down the line that we can only speculate upon at this point). And oh was the Kool-Aid being served at almost every step of indoc that we have such a good labor-mgmt relationship and that everyone's looking out for each other we don't need a union.

I just have the feeling that it's all part of stringing us along for as long as they can with as little as they can - and that's not what comes to mind when I think about good leadership.