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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:19 PM
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"I don't believe anything in my statement was inaccurate."

Then why are you asking me to delete your posts?
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
The only two SKW pilots on here that said they're going to vote YES are Slap and TW. Where as I believe; Bla, ANP, Rick, JJ (myself), Seatown, EngOut, KingAir, CopCar, FlyingHunter, ExpAB, SharkAir, Seatle, otter, wafly, duvie, ficone, reelbig and a few others a all voting NO on this BS pay package.
Count me in for No vote as well! I was also one of the 35%ers that favored ALPA and voted yes along with 95% of the SkyWester that post on this board.
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by waflyboy
Let's assume that your assertion is true (that lower productivity = better QOL). I think JetJock might be saying that because we are more "productive," (meaning we perform at a higher level according to some metric) we expect (dare I say.... deserve) more compensation. A tradeoff of sorts, perhaps.

But I haven't heard too many complaints on QOL at Skywest, except maybe from folks on reserve (such as myself).
Okay, I misunderstood if that is what he meant. What I meant is that low productivity for pilots means you get paid the most for working the least (increased days off, etc). That is a good thing from the pilots point of view.
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
***See section 6 Railway Labor Act*** for anyone that wants to see how the company and pilot group handles this situation. I believe they are in their "cooling off" period right now. Does anyone know when it ends and when the final decision date is?
If Pinnacle is in their cooling off period, that is HUGE news that I haven't heard. But that isn't unheard of either.
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"I don't believe anything in my statement was inaccurate."

Then why are you asking me to delete your posts?
I wasn't. I was saying I'd just rather you delete them then be forced into a debate over something which never should have started in the first place. If I said the sky were blue and someone else said it were green, I'd rather say "fine then it's green" and get back on topic then watch 5 pages of debate on something that obviously isn't going anywhere when we all already know the darn sky is blue.
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:29 PM
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9E boys ( if released for self help ) and they get nothing worthwhile out of mgt had better strike.......

I have been part of a pilot group.... Flagship (Nashville) Eagle when when they were still part of APA.... just like 9E we had a strike vote of 99%......but at the last minute the "leaders" decided not to vote and to present the companies last pathetic offer to the membership. In th end we ended up with some pathetic pay raises and not much else and the company knew they had crushed the spirit and resolve of the pilot group for awhile......

Unity and the resolve to use that unity is all that mgt will ever understand. How you get it is up to you, but without it you are at the companies mercy.
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:32 PM
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"If Pinnacle is in their cooling off period, that is HUGE news that I haven't heard."

Yeah, that's the part that his thesarus missed. They must not have an aviation version of that thing....
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
If Pinnacle is in their cooling off period, that is HUGE news that I haven't heard. But that isn't unheard of either.
That one is just my guess.
Per the terms of Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act, which governs airline employee labor negotiations, the NMB can extend to the parties a proffer to arbitrate any remaining issues. If either party declines the proffer, the parties are released from mediation, and a 30-day cooling-off period begins. At its conclusion, either party can engage in self-help, which could take the form of a strike by employees.
From what I've heard/read Pinnacle made "their best deal" and the pilots turned it down. The company has since sat there doing nothing. The pilot group has since voted for and approved a strike by an overwhelming amount. Are they not in their "cooling-off" period yet? There was talk awhile back about it before the vote. Looking at the relation of things it seems a strike comes after the period. The strike has already been voted on by the pilots. Maybe they voted prior to the mediation. Any PNCL guys here to shed light?

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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
That one is just my guess.


From what I've heard/read Pinnacle made "their best deal" and the pilots turned it down. The company has sense sat there doing nothing. The pilot group has sense voted for and approved a strike by an overwhelming amount. Are they not in their "cooling-off" period yet? There was talk awhile back about it before the vote. Looking at the relation of things it seems a strike comes after the period. The strike has already been voted on by the pilots. Maybe they voted prior to the mediation. Any PNCL guys here to shed light?
What you wrote does not equate to a cooling off period. As your quote states, there has to be a proffer of arbitration made. Then either party has to decline such proffer. Then the NMB has to relase the parties from mediation. Then they are on the cooling off period. The strike vote is just to increase leverage before getting to the cooling off period. The NMB has NOT released them from mediation, as I understand at least.
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Old 01-21-2008 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"If Pinnacle is in their cooling off period, that is HUGE news that I haven't heard."

Yeah, that's the part that his thesarus missed. They must not have an aviation version of that thing....
Or a spell checker. Thesaurus. Nice shot at sarcasm though. Always a nice last quick jab. What do you want? Want me to recant my statement that PNCL pilots didn't get approved to strike? Ok I will. Don't know why that will make you and Tony so happy but I'll do it if that's what you really want. I don't understand where you were coming from in the first place nor where you are trying to go with it. Maybe because both of you thought you'd talk down a little, be a little sarcastic and quick whitted, only later to find that I was correct and now the ego hurts. Lets just continue with the cheap jabs now, searching each post with a fine tooth comb looking for anything that can me misconstrued! This is exactly what I was trying to avoid by getting this topic back on track. Guess you won't let it go so I will. Off to a new topic.
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