Express Jet denying Colgan jump seating
04-01-2008 | 12:40 PM
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I fear I may end up the same. I hope you are enjoying your new line of work!
04-01-2008 | 12:52 PM
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I find it humorous and ironic to hear an ERJ FO lecturing a turboprop guy about lowering industry standards!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
04-01-2008 | 01:08 PM
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I find it humorous and ironic to hear an ERJ FO lecturing a turboprop guy about lowering industry standards!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
I simply believe that you're too caught up in the term "regional airline," trying to pigeon-hole carriers into a label that doesn't really fit. A better name, IMO, would be "supplemental airline."
04-01-2008 | 02:05 PM
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I haven't gotten that memo yet, although information at Colgan isn't exactly evenly distrubuted throughout the system so I'm not surprised.
04-01-2008 | 10:10 PM
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Erm, aren't you a "barbie jet" pilot? By the way, nobody "steals" flying from the mainline; the mainline carrier gives that flying out as their needs change. Also, a lot of XJT routes simply follow a 737 around all day to work cleanup and bring the leftovers that the mainline flight can't carry (i.e. why would you send another 737 to pick up 50 people when you could just send an ERJ?).
I simply believe that you're too caught up in the term "regional airline," trying to pigeon-hole carriers into a label that doesn't really fit. A better name, IMO, would be "supplemental airline."
I simply believe that you're too caught up in the term "regional airline," trying to pigeon-hole carriers into a label that doesn't really fit. A better name, IMO, would be "supplemental airline."
04-02-2008 | 05:24 AM
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I find it humorous and ironic to hear an ERJ FO lecturing a turboprop guy about lowering industry standards!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
Yeah we "stole" them, a majority of you people on here or so delusional its ridiculous. Get a clue, Mainline Pilots GAVE UP SCOPE, NOBODY STOLE ANYTHING MAINLINE PILOTS GAVE IT AWAY, THEY WERE TO GOOD TOO FLY "BARBIE JETS".
I am so sick of coming on APC to find urinating matches between one regional and another, we all want the same thing, so stop contributing to the problem and start becoming a part of the solution.. Get involved, support each other and educate those that think being an "airline pilot" is worth the low wages, low respect and long hours.
04-02-2008 | 07:27 AM
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I find it humorous and ironic to hear an ERJ FO lecturing a turboprop guy about lowering industry standards!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.
To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!
Couldn't have said it any better
04-02-2008 | 07:35 AM
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If I did get denied a JS for political reasons, then after that there is only one person I would deny a JS on my plane, and thats the douchebag that denied me. Not his company. Lets leave them out of it.
I'm friends with plenty of XJT'ers, and while we joke back and forth a lot, I don't sense any sort of real negativity between the two. It's all in jest.
04-02-2008 | 08:54 AM
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Yes, I too fly a barbie jet. But you don't hear me calling for Colgan guys to quit or people to boycott taking jobs there to improve the industry. My point is that such a call is hypocritical if I turn around and get in my ERJ and fly a formerly mainline route.
04-02-2008 | 09:00 AM
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Yeah we "stole" them, a majority of you people on here or so delusional its ridiculous. Get a clue, Mainline Pilots GAVE UP SCOPE, NOBODY STOLE ANYTHING MAINLINE PILOTS GAVE IT AWAY, THEY WERE TO GOOD TOO FLY "BARBIE JETS".
I am so sick of coming on APC to find urinating matches between one regional and another, we all want the same thing, so stop contributing to the problem and start becoming a part of the solution.. Get involved, support each other and educate those that think being an "airline pilot" is worth the low wages, low respect and long hours.
I am so sick of coming on APC to find urinating matches between one regional and another, we all want the same thing, so stop contributing to the problem and start becoming a part of the solution.. Get involved, support each other and educate those that think being an "airline pilot" is worth the low wages, low respect and long hours.
You missed my point Saab. I have never, and will never accuse any regional of stealing mainline routes, which is why I used quotes. I totally agree that the blame for the current state of regionals lies completely in the laps of mainline MEC's for giving up their scope. But, regional guys at XJT, CHQ, SKW, etc have no business looking down their noses at Colgan or anyone else and saying that people there shouldn't have taken those jobs because it lowers industry standards when the same could be said for us.
Given where we're at now, the only real answer to improve wages and qol is for the MEC's at the union shops to hang tough in their negotiations and for the non-union shops to get a clue and organize. It's time we demand better and not settle for anything less than we deserve!
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