you are right, but we can look "awkwardly" at you guys for not VOTING ALPA, especially since your new "commuter clause" and a few other things that you are getting were created BY ALPA PILOTS. Make sure you guys Vote in a Union, this we we can all work together as opposed to crapping on each other

 

Well, you won't look "awkwardly" (sic) at me, as I'm no longer there. Moved to CHQ last year. But I was on the organizing committee and am still in shock that the vote failed. Too many complacent idiots didn't bother to vote.

I'm positive that it wasn't that they didn't want the union, just believed that the support was so overwhelming, no need to bother voting.

Hopefully, they'll get it passed this time.

 

what i dont understand about people saying someone stole their flying is that dont we live in a capitalistic economy where free market forces decide business decisions? isnt that what competition and deregulation was all about?

 

dont look awkwardly at me i voted in the union it just so happened that some other people didnt

 

I don't, I actually think if your pilot group was comprised of guys like you, and DMEarc, The Juice too etc...... Colgan would be a much better place

 

I can understand the frustration with XJet and Colgan being given their flying, notice I said given and not taken.

I am pretty positive, say 95% a union will be voted in if ALPA has another drive with the Colgan OC. Nothing has changed for the better so I do not see any "yes" votes changing. Also, those who were too lazy to vote with their "what does one vote matter" mentality will realize this time what one vote does matter. Also, I am sure Colgan has upset more people over this last year who used to be a "no" vote and they will be a "yes" vote.

We have had quite a few base closures this last year and displaced pilots are not happy pilots. Plus take a happy Colgan pilot flying out of ROC who is home everynight, happy guy who sees no need for a union. Now tell him his base has closed and now he has to commute to his new base in LGA or IAD and see how happy he is when the vote comes up.

The key will be educate. Since Colgan has a lot of new pilots on the line who do not know the truth it is up to the more experienced guys to teach them. This is what must happen to help them understand the importance. I know I will be taking many new FO's aside and having a heart to heart about why we must vote in a union.

As I said 95%

 

Wow after that you definatly have my vote!!!

 

Exactly. I guess if you really look at it the other way, everyone that has taken a job flying RJs at regional pay have done the most harm to the industry compared to us flying props and keeping our flying truly regional. If no one would have taken the RJ jobs at these wonderful companies, then the mainlines would have been force to do the flying at mainline wages. So in reality who do you think has hurt the industry more?????? I don't think is us at Colgan.

 

Again if you did not do a single thing to get your union, then please shut up about us not getting ALPA on our first try!!! And don't even think about looking awkwardly at us. You have not a single right to criticize, you felt into a union company and like most of us, you probably didn't know much about the industry when you took your first job, or the true importance of a union. I couldn't even vote because I was a new hire.

I do feel that this time around we will have it.

Now back on topic, it's good to see that there only seems to be isolated cases of being denied a jumpseat and that the two pilot groups are getting along. I have never seen any capt I fly with deny anyone a seat.

 

Easy there... deep breath. A free market opens itself up to all of these changes. I flew turboprops, I now fly a jet (not for a mainline) I'm not going to blame a 20 year old for what I get paid now. I knew plenty of CFI's that couldn't wait to go to Xjet, even more that took the job at Colgan. I don't blame anyone that takes a job they are qualified for. Mainline determines what company flies what routes. Many excuses could be made for the amount of pay... i.e. Fuel, Equipement, Company, Deregulation...etc. I understand hostility against comapanies, but mom and dad determine who gets dessert at the end of the day not the union or lack there of.

As far as jumpseat is concerned, we are all trying to get to work or get home at the end of the day. Who gives a good gad damn who is sitting in the back of the plane. I'm here because I love to fly airplanes, not to make a million dollars