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And your shoulder-harness

G-Dog

Duck does not speak on behalf of the employees here at RAH. I surely do not agree with all his posts. But with the comment you made, in bold above, you have lowered yourself to Duck's level.

ChinsFive

Something you obviously don't know is that XJT has the first right of refusual on all 274 aircraft sub-leased from CAL. That means that XJT doesn't have to give those planes back, ever, period. When CAL's lease expires with the lessor if XJT wants to continue using them XJT can become the principal lessee.

So if CAL wants those planes back to give to someone else I'll tell you what happens - I don't need to guess. XJT can say no, just like they did with the CHQ deal.

The newest XR's and LR's CAL gave up had the highest lease cost. At the end of the day it's cheaper for them to bump 100 or 200 people in a day than in is to pay the leases on the airplanes they gave back to XJT. I don't know why they kept 135's though, those can't be making money.

I don't think CAL cares if we merge with SKYW or not. I don't think CAL cares if SKYW flys for them or not. I think that if XJT can be cheaper than SKYW or CHQ or whoever they will continue to do that CAL flying. Alot of morons here think that the CEO's of both companys (CAL/XJT) don't get along. I don't buy that either but if thats the case the XJT BOD needs to get rid of their CEO because he obviously couldn't manage a blockbuster. Morons here also say that XJT could have proposed to do the CHQ flying for free and CAL still would have given it to someone else - I doubt that too. I think if XJT management could have negotiated a low, competitive rate the first time around, instread of holding onto their cost+10% or cost+8%, and worked to get rid of the MFN in the CAL CPA, then they could compete for something instead of having the anchor that is branded and prorate Delta flying that ends up breaking even with the DAL CPA deal... I know, I know - I should run the place.

newarkblows

the damn shoulder harness sawed off my epaulette button yesterday.

G-Dog

Chins,

You may be right, but lets just say that CAL want 100 planes back. XJet can say no. CAL then says, well those planes will not fly for us. Then XJet pays on a parked plane or has to find a new home for that plane. Am I correct on this? If I am correct, we know how the whole find a new home for the planes thing is working(ie. branded).

My point is, just cause XJET has first right of refusal, this does not put them in a power position.

Like it has been said in the past, CAL will not drop Xjet at will. There is no one who could pick up the slack on short notice. I would say Xjet guys are pretty safe, for now.

ToiletDuck

No hard feelings taken and had I interviewed and XJT and been offered the job I probably would have taken it. You guys assume I'm bashing. I'm not bashing. I'm talking real life facts that are bleeding all over the financial papers, company communications, and even here(as hard as that seems). This isn't the private XJT pilots forum so when people start talking about the company I expect at least a bit of accuracy. Making statements so bold as to say how CAL can't get rid of XJT, or any other company for that matter, is about as dumb as it can get. People need to wake up and stop drinking whatever flavor of kool-aid they're on. I'm not bashing anyone. I've never bashed the group nor the contract. I've talked about the management and their decisions because those decisions have a greater affect than just those of the pilot group. The pilot group isn't the only one with the rights to talk about the company. The ego around here that they are is arrogance at it's best.

Just because someone works somewhere doesn't give you "admin" privilages about what can and can't be spoken about it. You see it as personal bashing when no statements have been made in direction of the pilot group. This is about the company. Could be wal-mart or RAH we're talking about but it isn't this is XJT. XJT is the news of the hour. There are BIG MOVES being made at a company that affects all of us and are noteworthy to discuss. Don't think you guys are the only ones allowed to talk about it. If you can't keep it civil then keep it off here. Tpersuit is a prime example and the whining that follows is a nice backup to that. It's time to face some facts here.

*XJT is a regional airline.
*We are regional pilots.
*XJT has been persued by another regional which is something of very large magnitude which can have a great impact on the rest of us in one note or another.

If you want to talk about XJT and keep it only limited to XJT posts then put it on the XJT forum. For some reason it's ok to talk about Mesa, Freedom, SKYW, ASA, Indy air, Skybus, Frontier, SWA, CAL, DAL/NWA, etc. but you guys think talking about XJT is bashing. It's not. Where's the inaccuracy? You have to admit there's a large level of koolaid drinking around here. Only here could you post a financial statement showing cash flow, wall street analysis, letters from CAL and SKYW, and people still turn to you and say "Show me proof". I don't bash pilot groups. Once I posted an article from the Journal talking about the company and it's financial position with no comment attached and was called out as "bashing". Just because some doen't agree doesn't mean they get to play the character assassination card.

I thought we were talking about the company, it's stability, it's future outlook, and implications of actions. I didn't know this was an agree or you're bashing thread.

ToiletDuck

^^^See that's bashing. I've never made it personal and never will. Those calling me out can keep on doing it but lets face some facts. Where have I been wrong about the place? People are saying the same things now they said before they even went branded. If they can't learn from that then it's going to be a rough ride.

Utah

As far as the first right of refusal... are you sure XJT management would want them? From a business perspective they can't just keep them if they don't have a solid plan to make money with them. Keeping them to spite CAL may sound good from an emotional standpoint, but business decision shouldn't and usually aren't be made that way. Without a new CPA with UA, DL, or someone else, what would they do to with them? More branded flying? Doubtful. Management will do what is necessary to remain profitable, and that may include getting smaller as evident by the industrys recent events. Beyond CAL who wants 50 seaters anyway?

ToiletDuck

Watch what you say that's considered bashing the company in this neck of the woods.

Chins I understand 100% what you are saying and have known this. Yes XJT can have the planes but the company can't afford the ones they have. This pretty much means CAL can do what they want with them. If XJT starts playing hardball and someone shows up with a few 145s, ie SkyWest with newly aquired 145s, CAL can tell XJT "Fine keep the planes" so they can pull the rent in on them while contracting out to someone cheaper. But XJT can't make that move so it's up to CAL.

ChinsFive

In the CAL CPA, if they remove another 53 airplanes they forfit the MFN clause, so at that point XJT no longer has to give CAL the same rate they give someone else. This gives XJT the freedom to fly the aircraft for minimal profit and not have to share that rate with CAL. The reason only 10 airplanes are on the DL CPA? Any more than 10 and they would have to share that rate with CAL. If they remove more aircraft this becomes a non-factor. XJT could fly those airplanes at cost just to keep the lights on and not have to share that rate with CAL. With the MFN clause remove the "hide the airplanes" game becomes more possible.

At XJT there has been a sense of "our management is great" that I have always thought made no sense. Our local management and dirrect superviors are okay, but on the executive level they've mis-managed the company into what it is now. The CAL CPA they were handed after the IPO was a hard point to start but things could have been done differently. It's funny to hear some of my fellow XJT'ers call people Kool-Aide drinkers when no matter what this management does they are "great".