seattlepilot

With all due respect, no one and no airline is not irreplaceable. This is the mistake that ACA did. United replaced them with a crappy airline but that bad airline is still in biz. and high and mighty ACA is not.

Don't get me wrong, I had lotsa friends in ACA and i truly believe that UAL's move was bad, but at the same time 'i cannot be replaced' attitude doesn't go that well..

Here's my math..

RAH can keep 24 CRJs, add about 40 more EMBs to the CoEx fleet tomorrow.
MAG can settle with delta and get Freedom to fly for Conti next week..

See where i am going with this?

HercDriver130

is that fuzzy math?

flyboyzz1

AKA you don't know anything? There is no press release on the express jet investor page that says anything more than XJT entering into NEGOTIATIONS with CO. If they had anything solid they would surely post this all over the world to boost the low stock.

dojetdriver

I was at ACA. I really don't remember that attitude. It was more of a "if that's the terms they want, no thanks" type of attitude. Although we did think it was going to be interesting to watch how they were going to replace. But yep, they were able to pull it off, and it was a goat rope

Most people don't know anywhere near the full story of what happened there.

And I have the same question, is that fuzzy math? 40 + 24 + 64. XJT currently has 205 planes in CAL colors. Are there 141 just laying around on the Freedumb certificate? Also, it's no seccret, but unless they get desperate, I dont' think CAL wants ANYTHING to do with J.O. given thier prior history. If I remember correctly, MAG's bid wasn't even accepted a few years back when CAL decided to pull the first %25. Yep, they could replace the flying, but not just from the sources you mentioned. That would entail getting CPA's with A LOT more regionals. I don't think CAL wishes to do that.

Bond

I agree 100%. CAL can pull a quarter of the fleet if they wanted to, but 205 aircraft would almost be financial suicide. There are simply not enough players (aircraft or 145 trained pilots) to replace a fleet of that magnitude.

Here's something else to consider, we (XJT) have over 100 patents on the Embraer 145. Those belong to XJT, and are licensed as such, you think we're just going to surrender that intellectual property. The doors, LR2 modifications (which CHQ is now benefiting from...you're welcome), the weight and balance program, not to mention all the software and hardware modifications to the FMS, the list goes on.

It's not as easy as it seems, furthermore, CAL learned a valuable lesson in the sacrifices that are made to customer service and the operation when you bring another regional partner that is not up to par.

easterneuros

very very very true. plus year 8,9,10 will be option years. oh, and its for 190 a/c

ToiletDuck

CAL currently has 205 planes in CAL colors they're leasing to XJT. Then they have an additional 69 planes they are leasing to XJT in DAL and XJT colors. XJT doesn't own any of the airplanes and really doesn't have much say so in what happens with them. If CAL wants those planes back to give to someone else guess what happens? XJT can't afford to keep them.

CAL wouldn't pull all those planes tomorrow. No one ever does. You'd see a shift, though very quickly. A simple no renewal of contracts is enough to do the job. 51 planes here, 69 planes there. I think you guys should just admit that XJT needs CAL, CAL doesn't need XJT. Never assume the regional is greater who pays it's bills. That was the mistake made the first time.

ToiletDuck

CAL paid for those.

Must be why they are pushing for a SKYW merger. I wouldn't get too cocky. You don't know the future and don't want to come up with mud on your face if CAL decides to pull more. I'd be thankful and act as such.

tpersuit

CAL doesn't own any of the airplanes. They are owned by Banks and Financial Institutions.

Unfortunately for you Toilet, XJT didn't hire you and you may be out of a job quicker than you thought XJT pilots were. Keep trying to justify your anger. Those planes are staying at XJT.

dojetdriver

Wow, thanks for the history lesson. NEVER knew that in my time here. That's called sarcasm. If XJT didn't have a say in what really happens to them, do you think that there would be planes with DAL/Branded colors on them? To emphasize the point. If CAL truly had 100% control of the planes, can you tell me why they gave up XR's? Are you SURE that the airframes that XJT uses in other endeavors can be yanked at CAL's whim? Are you SURE that there is language in the CPA that states this?

Yep, but it would be pretty funny to see CAL try to staff those aircraft that quickly. CAL doesn't need XJT, that bad. But they do need XJT up to that point.

See above.