I don't believe I said anything about CAL having complete control over the planes. You said XJT has 205 planes in CAL colors. Which one of us is displaying ignorance on this? Last I checked CAL leases those to XJT. CHQ has planes in CAL colors. SKYW has planes in UAL/DAL etc. colors. XJT doesn't have any planes. The fact that XJT doesn't own them is part of their collateral crunch.
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An obvious statement showing what I've also said elsewhere. We all know XJT gets first dibs but since they can't afford the batch they have on branded now they surely couldn't afford a whole lot of new ones. XJT would still need to find homes for all those branded planes before they even though about taking more from CAL. So basically if CAL went to XJT tomorrow and said we aren't renewing contracts on X amount of frames XJT wouldn't have any position but to let them go. I know there's this little thought jumping around that XJT could then blow up the market using those frames for other airlines but there's other competitors out there. That's one big gamble that the management already tried once. We see where they are now. They don't have the flexibility they did in the past to try it again.

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Nevets as far as what you're pointing at you looked at a statement, turned it completely backwards and then managed to look at it from your point of view which isn't the point of view it was written in. You're speaking from a pilots standpoint in your post while I'm speaking from an economical standpoint. I was correct in what was said. You kept saying to prove it so I was saying if the past year isn't proof then I dont' know what is. I also showed actual letters backing my points. You denounced what I said with nothing more than "You don't have proof" meanwhile it was staring at you and the fact it's all around you.

 

Well, you quoted yourself, but I'll quote you again;

You are basically saying that XJT has no control and CAL has ALL the control. Not the case.

Pretty funny for you to be picking on NEVETS for turning something around.

IT'S OK, you mis spoke, you can admit it.

 

I didn't misspoke. You are reading what you want to read out of it. Don't tell me what I basically said. Take what I did say and leave it at that. 1)XJT doesn't own the planes. 2)If CAL cancels contracts and wants them back CAL will get them back. Why? Because XJT can't afford to take them. What are they doing to do increase branded? Oh wait no. They're going to take them, pay CAL a premium, then add them+branded to the legacies that are already stating they want a cut in 50 seat flying. So yea if CAL wants them CAL will get them. Why don't you explain to me more how CAL can't do without you? I haven't heard anyone from any other regional on here saying such naive things. Even the wholly owned guys don't say that. I wasn't picking on Nevets at all.

For what it's worth I admire your ability to ONLY see the best in these situations.

 

It's the airlines my friend. Your job and mine is ALWAYS in question. Been there, done that. We worked for the same place once remember? And yes, I read the other forums too. I was not attempting to single out any one group, so I apologize if that's how my posting came across. I don't recall ever in the history of my career ever alluding to anybody being better than someone else.
I was merely sitting here thinking about what a nice day it is here today in our nation's capitol and despite the fact that I'll most likely be furloughed in the fall, have accepted that it is a byproduct (unfortunately) of doing what I love. Everyone (is that all encompassing enough for you?) needs to rally together to protect the industry as a whole. Too often things are made to seem personal on here, when as I pointed out - they are not. Business is business.
Funny how at all the Air, Inc. seminars I've been to not a single pilot was ever scorned or ridiculed by their peers in person, but the keyboard makes it so simple and acceptable.
The day we all stop working to improve this situation together, we have lost.

 

Bingo!!! Well said. Some, however, just love to try and insult. Makes them feel like big man*asian accent* lol

 

Careful TD you might ::gasp:: insult someone LoL

 

The second I wrote that I turned on the TV and MAD TV was on with that woman that acts asian.

 

TD quit lying. CAL has no control over any of the 274 aircraft unless we give them back to them. We lease them from the Banks and Financial Institutions that OWN THEM, NOT CAL! We pay more the lease now, since CAL DOESN'T PAY A PART OF IT ANYMORE!

You really are upset XJT didn't hire you, aren't you?

 

It's a hopeless cause brother. As I said in my other post, he should stick to talking about what he knows...the experience of a 1 year f/o at RAH....

 

Pot calling the kettle black? Or do you have two years of service at your regional