hom307

im going to say this humbly because it may happen to me any day....but ur dead on right, with the exception of this years cq, i come out of the box on hydraulics every year wondering how the hell they passed? and why did they pass? sadly, i was informed one of our capts who i had for cq one yr, it finally caught up with him.

FLYING HIGH

If I'm not wrong someone was making the same kind of statements in this same tread couple of pages ago. They sounded very similar but don't want to accuse anyone don't misinterpret me please.

Anyhow I think It is very unprofessional from the part of the pilot group or individuals that did it and you can see this just in the fact they were afraid to disclose their names. There are other better mediums to address "problems" like this one.

In the other hand, look a this report from PBS. Well investigated and sustain news articles. It will broadcast in full on Feb 9th.

[FONT='Tahoma','sans-serif']http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/flyingcheap/[/FONT]

frmrdashtrash

Actually he was extremely complimentary of the FO he was flying with. Surprised me. I think that capt is more one of those types that gets turned around in the sim. He wasn't my favorite guy to share the cockpit with, but I don't think he's as big a screw up as most believe he is.

dashtrash300

I totally agree....I do enjoy flying with A.B....but there are times when you really have to try to calm him down if something doesn't go right. I especially love slowing to 180 kts for every little ripple.

Phuz

Maybe my opinion is different from yours, and if a difference of opinions is all it takes to qualify me as an 'idiot' in your book, then I suppose your mind is made up and you can stop reading here.

That said;

I didn't have anything to do with the article in the Buffalo newspaper, but I do agree in general with their efforts to expose some of the underhanded practices within the regional airline industry. The fact that I think along the same lines as the person(s) who did talk only means that there are probably even more people with the same opinion out there.

I simply agree with their article.

Has anyone considdered that maybe these guys dug up the information on their own and just claim to have 'anonymous' informants? They are just trying to sell papers after all, and in Buffalo airline scandal still sells. Anonymous pilots add credibility to the story; Who knows?

Whatever your opinion on the topic is; we can all agree that Buffalo got a reality check last February, and unfortunately thats what it seems to take to get attention drawn to the fact that people aren't doing their jobs correctly (be it the FAA, airline training depts, or pilots). The article they wrote about PDT is factual, they didn't embelish anything at all. The argument (here) is simply over whether or not PDT pilots are too good for stick pusher training. I contend that they are not, and I use my personal experiences on the line to support that opinion.

Also, even if you did "figure out" who I was, I would still stand by my opinion. I'm not the guy who shuts up when confronted, I'm more the pitbull that doesn't let go until I know that you've gotten the point. Its not something I would have a hard time doing. There are people on this board who know exactly who I am, and I still take liberty of discussing my opinions freely on this here internet discussion board. I will not think of you as an idiot for sharing yours.

On the stick pusher; The only arguments I've seen anyone present against stick pusher training are 1) time/money and, 2) unnecessary.

Both of those arguments were proven invalid by the Captain's reaction on Colgan 3407.

Does anyone honestly think that CA Renslow is the only pilot in 121 ops that would ever react to a stick pusher by holding on for dear life? How can we argue against 5 minutes of additional training that might just give someone enough experience to make it click in their head when this situation comes up for real the next time?

Odds are it won't happen again, but when we stop learning from past accidents we are inviting history to repeat itself again folks.

OneEye

Hey Phuz - When you were hired, did you get stick-shaker (not pusher) training?

BSOuthisplace

Everyone should have during new hire and upgrade during the first sim. The whole maneuvers training event with stalls, should be activating the shaker. Those who went to Seattle, ATL, and Canada in the 300 sim should have had some pusher exposure too.

coop77

Everyone who went through initial training at Piedmont had to do stall recoveries, so therefore, everyone had "stick-shaker training". If it shakes, you're slow. Recover. If the pusher pushes, let it push! Its hilarious to me that anyone that calls themselves a pilot complains about not having had training in this area. Are you seriously so lacking in your skills that you need training for such a simple system? Holy hell.

frmrdashtrash

So true about 180. I wasn't based in CHO so I didn't fly with him much unless I was sitting standby or reserve when they started messing with CLT.

Phuz, if you need pusher training you might think about getting out of the airline biz. It's covered in -300 differences how it works, and as explained will activate WELL after the shaker. If it works at all.... That Buffalo article was idiotic, and whoever went to the press ought to be beaten. Keep it in the house....

Phuz

Missed the point entirely. I'm not worried about how I personally would react, I worry about how some of our other guys would react if put in that same situation as CA Renslow was. Don't worry about me chief, i can hold my own, but I'll be the first to admit that I do make mistakes too.

Again its not about how PHUZ would react. I am simply the guy who has the balls to point out that everybody is vulnerable to mistakes, Chuck Yeager himself even made a few.

I contend that we certainly have our share of mistake prone pilots at PDT, and stick pusher training may just give one of them the ability to react correctly if this situation ever happens again.