FixTheMess

Then I guess we should have asked for a $40 million dollar package, so we could "compromise," and "negotiate in good faith" down to a $20 million dollar contract. Like I said, to each his own, but for me, its a no to any proposal that doesn't include duty rigs, min day (not modified min), and some sort of job security. No new aircraft, no flow through, no rigs = no vote. What management has not come to terms with yet, is that there are those of us that have been abused and beat down to the point where it is all or nothing. I would like to see us obtain an excellent contract, but it would also bring a smile to my face to see S.F. lose control over his "airline," and have us turn into the next Comair.

Switching gears; Can someone from the negotiating committee send out a copy of our $7 million dollar proposal? I've seen the POS offer from management, but I can't compare anything because I haven't seen our offer. I hope the two are light years apart. The only thing I've heard is we aren't even asking for rigs. Maybe we can have the pilot group being represented take a poll on what they think of the current offer the negotiating committee has on the table.

piper338

I'm saying do it after we've been released we have tried negotiating with the company it doesn't work.

PDTpilotXX

2 brilliant ways to further divide the pilot group.

bigscrillywilli

I can't believe they still call it negotiations

FixTheMess

Divide? What? I'm trying to rally the scared, the timid, and the selfish. I'm trying to make it perfectly clear that settling for anything less than what we deserve is a crime against every pilot at this company. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to collectively be willing to take it all the way. In the event that we see that day, and we are unsuccessful in obtaining a deserved contract, we should all find comfort in the fact that we stood up for what was right, and our soul-less management failed at micromanaging their sad excuse for an airline. Then dust yourself off, and jump back on your horse. There isn't great reward without great risk. We aren't the first ones to be in this position, and we won't be the last.

PDTpilotXX

I appreciate your efforts as much as any other line pilot here. We are treated worse then any other pilot group in the industry and we deserve better. How you'd divide the pilot group... putting our negotiating committees final offer out you'd negotiate now not only with the company but with the pilot group. Guaranteed to create division. Also, negotiating in public is a very fast way to get put on ice by the NMB I've heard.

No Duty Rigs, airplanes, and flow.... and you're an automatic no vote? considering we have zero say in USairways fleet plans, their pilot union won't talk flow through, Rigs? Our payroll can't figure out the crap we have now rigs would be a constant nightmare. I'd say you're a no vote. Guaranteeing a no vote in public based on things that are virtually impossible is just ignorant.

WE NEED NEW MANAGEMENT MORE THEN WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE. STEVE IS THE PROBLEM. Follow our current contract, lets get some $$ and QOL.

BSOuthisplace

I think one of the big improments in QOL would be some sort of automated bidding and trip trade/drop software access for the pilot group. Let's take bidding and trade/drops out of the hands of JS and the schedulers. Also, fixing the payroll software to be completely automated would make things better too.

I, for the life of me can't figure out why Steve cannot adopt some of these great new technologies. Not only do they improve employee QOL, but they also save the company money.

FLYING HIGH

Because He is already saving a lot of money with the people who is still single-engine taxing

Piedmonster

It's USAir management, not the pilot group. They got out of having to honor the flow agreement from years ago because it was signed by PDT & USAir Pilots and PDT Management. Not USAir Management. Legally, they don't have to honor the agreement, hence why it just died.


It is not a question of stupidity or ignorance as much as they claim.
It is simple thievery. Every time you don't catch it, they saved $. Ask any union rep who knows anything, in fact go ask the Grievance Vice Chair. He'll tell you all you want to know about this. Before I left, he started a personal tracking project to study the impact of this on the pilot group.

PDTpilotXX

Actually it is 100% their pilot group. You told me to ask our reps, so ask BF Or our legal council or CM or BP etc...about who prevented flow last time and who Tempe refuses to deal with on the same subject this time... And you're right it is intentional which goes to my point it is a mgmt problem here. New front office could do wonders.