J/S with ASA in a weight critical flight
07-27-2008 | 05:47 PM
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07-27-2008 | 05:51 PM
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07-27-2008 | 05:59 PM
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Im not saying all gate agents are good, some are just immature.
But how many of you that were just bashing them have actually done their jobs?
Lumping them all together and saying they are just on a power trip is retarded at best.
and the attitude of, "the plane is on the gate, its under my control" Is 100% correct. They are responsible for the flight. Im not saying this one wasnt being a douche, or it was or was not weight critical.
Im just pointing out that Alot of Gate agents, specially here at BNA will go and do go out of their way to help flight crew.
But how many of you that were just bashing them have actually done their jobs?
Lumping them all together and saying they are just on a power trip is retarded at best.
and the attitude of, "the plane is on the gate, its under my control" Is 100% correct. They are responsible for the flight. Im not saying this one wasnt being a douche, or it was or was not weight critical.
Im just pointing out that Alot of Gate agents, specially here at BNA will go and do go out of their way to help flight crew.
07-27-2008 | 08:32 PM
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Im not saying all gate agents are good, some are just immature.
But how many of you that were just bashing them have actually done their jobs?
Lumping them all together and saying they are just on a power trip is retarded at best.
and the attitude of, "the plane is on the gate, its under my control" Is 100% correct. They are responsible for the flight. Im not saying this one wasnt being a douche, or it was or was not weight critical.
Im just pointing out that Alot of Gate agents, specially here at BNA will go and do go out of their way to help flight crew.
But how many of you that were just bashing them have actually done their jobs?
Lumping them all together and saying they are just on a power trip is retarded at best.
and the attitude of, "the plane is on the gate, its under my control" Is 100% correct. They are responsible for the flight. Im not saying this one wasnt being a douche, or it was or was not weight critical.
Im just pointing out that Alot of Gate agents, specially here at BNA will go and do go out of their way to help flight crew.
07-27-2008 | 08:49 PM
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Hey, guys, a question for Acey guys here, what's your policy for listing J/S when the flight is weight critical? Let me explain what happened to me
I show up at an outstation and try to list for the jumpseat. The gate agent tells me he won't list me for the jumpseat because the flight is weight critical. I was very polite and asked him if I could just list and then last minute maybe the numbers would work. He said NO ! I ask if I could talk to the CA and he said NO because the CA already was down in the airplane.
I don't know about you guys, but in PNCL we let as many non-revers and J/S to list in a wt. critical flight, and then las minute when we have the final cargo and pax load we give the numbers a last look and decide. Many times too, we "play" with those numbers..... "no one left behind policy". What really bothered me was not even being able to give it a shot. Just because dispatch sends the paperwork with the note "weight critical" doesn't mean we won't take non-revers or J/S, well at least in PNCL.
Some facts
- it was a CRJ2
- there were some 4 open seats
- Apparentely they had a precautionary alternate for ATL (landing weight is the problem with the X Fuel)
- There is no limit for the T/O Weight at this airport (unless MELs maybe)
- No pax were left behind
I understand that J/S is a privilege, and I'm always thankfull, but it's a little frustrating when you know that something else could have been done.....
I show up at an outstation and try to list for the jumpseat. The gate agent tells me he won't list me for the jumpseat because the flight is weight critical. I was very polite and asked him if I could just list and then last minute maybe the numbers would work. He said NO ! I ask if I could talk to the CA and he said NO because the CA already was down in the airplane.
I don't know about you guys, but in PNCL we let as many non-revers and J/S to list in a wt. critical flight, and then las minute when we have the final cargo and pax load we give the numbers a last look and decide. Many times too, we "play" with those numbers..... "no one left behind policy". What really bothered me was not even being able to give it a shot. Just because dispatch sends the paperwork with the note "weight critical" doesn't mean we won't take non-revers or J/S, well at least in PNCL.
Some facts
- it was a CRJ2
- there were some 4 open seats
- Apparentely they had a precautionary alternate for ATL (landing weight is the problem with the X Fuel)
- There is no limit for the T/O Weight at this airport (unless MELs maybe)
- No pax were left behind
I understand that J/S is a privilege, and I'm always thankfull, but it's a little frustrating when you know that something else could have been done.....
07-28-2008 | 06:46 AM
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07-28-2008 | 06:49 AM
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07-28-2008 | 07:44 AM
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Agreed. What station was this?
We ASA captains have little tolerance for gate agents controlling things beyond their jurisdiction, particularly what j/sers get on our planes.
I'm going to guess this was an outstation run by Delta or Comair (not ASA employees). Maybe? These stations seem to be the worst because they hate us.
We ASA captains have little tolerance for gate agents controlling things beyond their jurisdiction, particularly what j/sers get on our planes.
I'm going to guess this was an outstation run by Delta or Comair (not ASA employees). Maybe? These stations seem to be the worst because they hate us.
07-28-2008 | 08:18 AM
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From: Maddog FO
This is awful...especially in the summer, there are lots of kids traveling that are half weights! My paperwork always has a weight restriction message on it. It is very very rare that we actually leave people. Very rare! Gate agents love being in control. I can't stand gate agents that act like you are getting in the way just because you want a ride. Their job is to board everyone including revenue passengers booked on the flight, revenue standbys (they should be charged), non-revs, and jumpseaters. However, they act like their job is to board the confirmed revenue passengers. That's it.
I urge each and every one of you that has an issue to please e-mail your jumpseat committee. Always always always get the gate agent's name. Insist on having them tell the Captain that are up at the gate wanting a ride to/from work. Like the original poster said, jumpseating is a privilege and not a right. However, that is how many pilots go to work to put food on the table for their families and it is also how many pilots return home to their families after being away from them.
I urge each and every one of you that has an issue to please e-mail your jumpseat committee. Always always always get the gate agent's name. Insist on having them tell the Captain that are up at the gate wanting a ride to/from work. Like the original poster said, jumpseating is a privilege and not a right. However, that is how many pilots go to work to put food on the table for their families and it is also how many pilots return home to their families after being away from them.
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