Turbinebound

Is it still too late to change careers?

Flyboydan

Nope, it's never to early to start begging for spare change.

ToiletDuck

The only power the RAH pilots have to make sure everything happens per the contract. Outside of that you're just asking to be fired.

ToiletDuck

Nevets with all due respect you're taking two different post that were centered around two different subjects and applying them at the same time which of course make them contradictory.

To the first one. I originally took the ramblings of that person and stated how "there is a lot of irony in his post". Meaning there were similarities. Since then the debate went one direction and now has made full circle where you're yelling at me how there are similarities. That was my original point.

Secondly, yes we completely understand what is trying to take place. However this news was first broken to both RAH and Midex at the same time which was through a public press release. RAH pilots have no real say in the matter except to make sure things are done per the contract. That is the only leverage we have. We are not happy with the situation in general.

Lastly XJT wasn't simply a whipsaw. There is this widespread talk that SKYW was used simply to whipsaw XJT. Not true. SKYW put money, investors money, on the table for XJT. It was a real offer for real cash. It wasn't an alter-ego creation like gojets. If XJT had been taken the deal, as they should have from a business point of view, things would be different. When they didn't CAL gave them the option to take the new deal or they'd go with SKYW. XJT decided to take it. It's no secret that XJT has butted heads with CAL many times. Most people don't bite the hand that feeds them. They did and CAL decided to pull that hand back and diversify itself a little more. It wasn't a plain and simple whipsaw. It was a series of reactions taken by both sides over a decent span of time. I know it's just my opinion so forgive me if I don't see it the same, but I have a hard time believing that one day Larry woke up and said "I want to start a plan, that will span a few years, to whipsaw XJT". CAL still pays the fuel bills like the rest of the guys and when things went through the floor they needed to do what they could to stay only marginally in the red. I don't think it was any hell bent vendetta to simply yank XJT around as much as quick decisions to deal with a buckling industry. CAL only lost 3mil last quarter versus the rest due to these drastic changes. I don't personally know what price they're asking XJT to operate at. It could be a reasonable price that XJT's having issues with simply because of the high operating cost the company has compared to others. I don't know. I don't consider it a whipsaw. There is no Freedom-A or Go-Jet created simply lower your contract. SKYW wasn't put there by CAL simply to get a lower price out of you guys. SKYW was there to do business with CAL and CAL expected to do business with SKYW because of their lower operating cost. XJT put it's foot down so CAL said, "If you don't like it then you operate at this price". One thing's for sure and that's that Larry is a bean counter and would go with whoever is cheapest to operate with. You see it as a whipsaw, that's understandable, but I see it as CAL doing business to save itself in the current market. I don't think there were any evil intentions running around for the past couple years just to stick it to you guys.

texaspilot76

I have read a good portion of this thread and would like to give my two cents.

I have been in the airline industry for close to two years now. I was vehemently anti-union when I first came here. Now, due to my experiences so far, and events such as what this thread is discussing, I am now a union supporter.

What Midwest and Republic management is doing is sickening. Midwest pilots will lose their job, only to be replaced by a regional pilot that will do the same job for less. If we allow this to continue happening, there will be no mainline jobs left. We will all be flying Boeings for a regional wage at the end of our careers.

Republic pilots need to stand up and do what's right. Republic pilots need to stand up to management and refuse to fly routes that put Midwest pilots out of a job. Any pilots that do agree to do the flying are scabs in my book, I am sure that most pilots would agree with me.

HercDriver130

Well I guess its a good thing that your book doesnt mean crap. Learn what a scab is then come back and apologize for calling fellow pilots scabs when its obvious you have no idea what a scab is.

RAH pilots are not in favor of this... but the alternative is to be fired... not furloughed... no leave of absence... fired.

You your self said it..... this is managements brew on both sides.... the pilots are just pawns.

BoilerUP

As much as this sucks for MEH pilots...no, most pilots wouldn't agree on your use of "scab".

texaspilot76

How is this any different than the Gojet/ TSA and Mesa/ Freedom debacle? Those pilots took over flying that belonged to other pilot groups and did it cheaper. They got labeled scabs. I don't see how this is any different. Midwest guys are getting screwed by management, and if any Republic pilots are willing to step in and do the flying Midwest pilots are doing for less, then they should be scabs too.

Finally, I never called Republic pilots scabs. I merely stated that they should be labeled that IF, and only IF, they take over Midwest flying.

ToiletDuck

I share your frustration on this new move by managements. No one wants to this industry to go the way of the "technical support" style where it's all outsourced. Unfortunately the only thing we can do is stick to the contract. Simply not working would have you dismissed from the company. I wouldn't call them scabs.

Gojet/TSA and mesa/Freedom are different because each of those alter-egos were created for the sole purpose of whipsawing their pilot groups. Once the companies were created the pilots then decided to work there fully knowing what was taking place. They didn't simply read about it in the news that they were going to be doing new flying for someone putting more of their pilots on the street.

However by definition the GoJet and Freedom guys aren't scabs as far as I know. I don't believe they flew any struck work or crossed any picket lines did they?

IFlyForFood

This all coming from someone that's been in the industry what, 2 years? LMFAO. So, I guess the opinions/thoughts of those of us that have been in this industry since you were most likely in diapers doesn't matter, eh?

See what we've seen, live what we've lived, get more than 2 years under your belt, then we might just respect your opinion a little more, but will never respect you if you use that kind of language.