ATP thoughts
#12
OK, so before I started with RAH I went out and got my ATP written (to increase my chances of getting a job and to be ready for an upgrade). I had planned on a 1.5 year upgrade at RAH at the time of hire (I know you written doesnt really "expire" while working for an airline). However, now that Im furloughed, looking at possible 3+ year upgrade at RAH (should I decide to return) I am concerned about its expiration. Therefore, I am looking into getting my ATP on my own (damn I thought I was done paying for training after I got my commercial, there goes another part of the dream...) Anyway, anyone have suggestions on the best place to get it done? I am concerned about an accelerated course in a seminole simply because my scan in steam gauges suuucks these days (been in the E175, "lazy pilot maker") and I dont think 4.5 hours to checkride prep is gonna cut it. Thoughts? Suggestions??
Before you run off doing that spend a week beating the streets. One thing bad about the airlines is you only deal with the same type of people and you become complacent. How many jobs have you sent resume's to since you've been hired? Always stay on the look out just in case. There's a whole other world out there of flying and a lot of them don't use the internet to post jobs. Walk in, shake with a firm hand, and ask them how they're doing. I'm not near as aggressive as I use to be with the job hunt since I'm stuck in the middle here at RAH but I've still managed to have my phone ring with a handful of higher paying job offers. Where do you live?
Last edited by ToiletDuck; 10-15-2008 at 10:01 PM.
#13
Multi engine training at Arlington airport in Dallas. 1300 bucks flat rate. I did my Multi, mei, and ATP there. It's good. Old airplanes but they make it happen. It was worth it cause I got a corporate pic king air job at home shortly after. I quite rah for that job. I tried to take a voluntary but they wouldn't go for it.
Haha, Clyde's joint... They're great guys over there... But no kidding about the planes... You'll probably get some good "emergency procedures" training too. But you can't beat the price...
#14
I would like to get a corp job cause I just cant swallow another airline right now. Its not that I dont like the job that bad (as a matter of fact, I really like the job, just not the "politics" about the job, but thats another thread) its that the job and the commute add up to too much. I am SLC based and CAN NOT MOVE so my only options are Skyw and Delta for a home base and I dont seem to have the luck at either place.
So the interest in the atp (on top of the written expiration thing) is for A) better position for a corp job or B) FAA job (which requires ATP)
So the interest in the atp (on top of the written expiration thing) is for A) better position for a corp job or B) FAA job (which requires ATP)
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Pan AM will do it for 4995 on a 737-200. I wanted a little more advanced than a 200 so I am doing it at Crew Pilot Training which costs 7300 on a 737-300. The best part is the school said I can sit in on a previous class just to get caught up.
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I was wrong:
Written
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If you take a written, let it expire, and change companies, it is no longer valid. That is what every person who has come here has said, and we have done about 75 since I started. No it doesn't have to be the same carrier, but you must be employed by a 121 carrier without any gaps in your employment. If you quit the company, and don't get hired until sometime later, than your written is no longer valid.
This is a topic in the ' training ' portion of APC
Written
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If you take a written, let it expire, and change companies, it is no longer valid. That is what every person who has come here has said, and we have done about 75 since I started. No it doesn't have to be the same carrier, but you must be employed by a 121 carrier without any gaps in your employment. If you quit the company, and don't get hired until sometime later, than your written is no longer valid.
This is a topic in the ' training ' portion of APC
But from personal experience, I can tell you that the above statement is not true.
#19
Multi engine training at Arlington airport in Dallas. 1300 bucks flat rate. I did my Multi, mei, and ATP there. It's good. Old airplanes but they make it happen. It was worth it cause I got a corporate pic king air job at home shortly after. I quite rah for that job. I tried to take a voluntary but they wouldn't go for it.
Anyway, don't let these comments scare you away. If I could do it over again, I'd do the same thing. It worked. I learned what I needed to know, the airplanes performed when I needed them to, and I paid a mere fraction of what others paid.
But, if you are used to 2000+ model year airplanes at the big part 141 school, you'll be in for a surprise.
Good luck.
#20
In regards to the WRITTEN exam question (thanks to my boys over at rp.org):
Part 61 CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS
Subpart A--General
Sec. 61.39
Prerequisites for practical tests.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must:
(1) Pass the required knowledge test within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, if a knowledge test is required;
(2) Present the knowledge test report at the time of application for the practical test, if a knowledge test is required;
(3) Have satisfactorily accomplished the required training and obtained the aeronautical experience prescribed by this part for the certificate or rating sought;
(4) Hold at least a current third-class medical certificate, if a medical certificate is required;
(5) Meet the prescribed age requirement of this part for the issuance of the certificate or rating sought;
(6) Have an endorsement, if required by this part, in the applicant's logbook or training record that has been signed by an authorized instructor who certifies that the applicant--
(i) Has received and logged training time within 60 days preceding the date of application in preparation for the practical test;
(ii) Is prepared for the required practical test; and
(iii) Has demonstrated satisfactory knowledge of the subject areas in which the applicant was deficient on the airman knowledge test; and
(7) Have a completed and signed application form.
(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section, an applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport certificate may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant:
(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved--
(i) Pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; and
(ii) Qualification training requirements appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; or
(2) Is employed as a flight crewmember in scheduled U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test, and has accomplished the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the certificate and rating sought.
(c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a)(6) of this section if that person:
(1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation that authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman certificate sought;
(2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating with an associated type rating; or
(3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft type rating practical test.
(d) If all increments of the practical test for a certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on which the applicant began the test.
(e) If all increments of the practical test for a certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed within 60 calendar days after the date on which the applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the entire practical test, including those increments satisfactorily completed.
Part 61 CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS
Subpart A--General
Sec. 61.39
Prerequisites for practical tests.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must:
(1) Pass the required knowledge test within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, if a knowledge test is required;
(2) Present the knowledge test report at the time of application for the practical test, if a knowledge test is required;
(3) Have satisfactorily accomplished the required training and obtained the aeronautical experience prescribed by this part for the certificate or rating sought;
(4) Hold at least a current third-class medical certificate, if a medical certificate is required;
(5) Meet the prescribed age requirement of this part for the issuance of the certificate or rating sought;
(6) Have an endorsement, if required by this part, in the applicant's logbook or training record that has been signed by an authorized instructor who certifies that the applicant--
(i) Has received and logged training time within 60 days preceding the date of application in preparation for the practical test;
(ii) Is prepared for the required practical test; and
(iii) Has demonstrated satisfactory knowledge of the subject areas in which the applicant was deficient on the airman knowledge test; and
(7) Have a completed and signed application form.
(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section, an applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport certificate may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant:
(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved--
(i) Pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; and
(ii) Qualification training requirements appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; or
(2) Is employed as a flight crewmember in scheduled U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test, and has accomplished the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the certificate and rating sought.
(c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a)(6) of this section if that person:
(1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation that authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman certificate sought;
(2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating with an associated type rating; or
(3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft type rating practical test.
(d) If all increments of the practical test for a certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on which the applicant began the test.
(e) If all increments of the practical test for a certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed within 60 calendar days after the date on which the applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the entire practical test, including those increments satisfactorily completed.
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