DAL Flowthrough - ASA/Comair/Skywest?
11-10-2008 | 09:56 AM
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DAL Flowthrough - ASA/Comair/Skywest?
How do you guys feel that Mesaba and Compass have flowthrough with Delta and it doesn't appear that the other DCI carriers have the same benefit? Am I missing something?
11-10-2008 | 10:03 AM
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They are not wholly owned companies so that is silly.
Mesaba and Compass are but they are at the mercy of DAL with pre-existing LOA's but they still as compared to others have the great luxury of flowback. Mesaba is better protected but still.
Mesaba and Compass are but they are at the mercy of DAL with pre-existing LOA's but they still as compared to others have the great luxury of flowback. Mesaba is better protected but still.
11-10-2008 | 10:07 AM
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11-10-2008 | 10:11 AM
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I seem to remember there was some bad blood a few years back between DL mainline and Comair. Someone else will have to fill in the details. Gut feeling is there won't be a flow-through there.
ASA was a wholly owned but was sold to SKW. SKW never was, so that too is doubtful.
Please correct me if this is wrong. I was outside the issue and my memory is vague.
ASA was a wholly owned but was sold to SKW. SKW never was, so that too is doubtful.
Please correct me if this is wrong. I was outside the issue and my memory is vague.
11-10-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Mesaba and Compass had flow through programs with NWA. That is thanks to the NWA mainline guys, and was helped by the fact that our pilot groups tend to get along alright. The flow through was written into Compasses contract (which was created by NWA mainline ALPA). Once Mesaba became wholly owned, we were given a somewhat different flow through as well to even things out between the NWA wholly-owned regionals.
When Delta decided to buy NWA, one of the conditions worked out was that the flow through programs which were already at NWA would remain intact.
So, essentially, it's an NWA thing. It's up to the new combined Delta pilots to decided what they wish to do with Delta-side wholly owned and other regionals.
When Delta decided to buy NWA, one of the conditions worked out was that the flow through programs which were already at NWA would remain intact.
So, essentially, it's an NWA thing. It's up to the new combined Delta pilots to decided what they wish to do with Delta-side wholly owned and other regionals.
11-10-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Comair does not currently have a flow-through agreement with Delta. Talks had been conducted in the past, however the proposal from Delta was apparently pretty one-sided, so the Comair pilot group rejected the proposal.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe the new DAL agreement has some sort of clause in it that prevents the new Delta mainline from awarding any new aircraft to a wholly-owned subsidiary without a flow-through--hence the reason Comair has been left out to dry in that department as of late. Maybe a Delta pilot or someone with knowledge of the agreement can correct me.
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe the new DAL agreement has some sort of clause in it that prevents the new Delta mainline from awarding any new aircraft to a wholly-owned subsidiary without a flow-through--hence the reason Comair has been left out to dry in that department as of late. Maybe a Delta pilot or someone with knowledge of the agreement can correct me.
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11-10-2008 | 10:56 AM
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ALPA would never do that, right?
11-10-2008 | 11:11 AM
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Your gut feeling is correct. Unless they get in some back door by being merged into Compass, they will never get a flow through.
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