I agree; Historically, flowthrough agreements have been a magic carrot to dangle at the regional pilots of several airlines.... the reality was the flowback provisions were more heavily used than the flowthrough... AMR being the prime example, but it's still statistically better for mainline than for regional. In this period of time in the industry, I'm glad I am not at a place with an existing floughthrough (because nobody will be being hired as mainlines shrink or are replaced ah la Midwest by RAH...) or flowback, since as those mainline places shrink, as they furlough the only people going onto the streets will be their regional "partners."

If you want a mainline job, negotiate a "preferential hiring" process with carry over DOH and stuff like that... floughthrough/flowback is a bad deal for most. Sure, many have gone the route and benefited from it, but far far more have lost...

carfefull what you wish for, you may not like the end result.

 

This thread was actually going pretty well and rather "adult-like" until you had to pull this.

Why don't you edit your post and put it as "because nobody will be being hired as mainlines shrink or are replaced ah la Midwest by Midwest Management (using other regional/domestic airlines)."

Otherwise, you just end up stirring the pot and putting pilots against pilots - counterproductive.

 

The comment was 100% factual...not sure why it's a problem?

 

I believe his point is that the Midwest flying wasn't "taken away" by the chapublic pilots. The pilots had no say at all in the matter. The flying was actually given away (I believe in violation of their own labor contract) by Midwest management. Don't blame the CHQ guys and gals. Put the blame where it is deserved: on Midwest management.

 

First, Comair doesn't have flowback and Second there is no interview. You just receive your senority number and then are put into the next class. When you were hired at Compass you were hired at then NWA and now Delta. (thats if it actually happens for all of the naysayers out there)

 

Thanks for the clarification maxjet..... Does that mean that when the SLI is complete at Delta, Compass and Mesaba pilots will have a seniority number at DAL? I didn't realize this with regard to seniority numbers, I thought there was a formula that guaranteed X number of slots during periods of hiring. Looks like we're all one big happy family.

Is this a reasonable solution for the Compass and Mesaba pilots regarding scope. Instead of flying a 100 seat aircraft at the regionals, you would move up into Delta? Just asking your view of this, not trying to stir the pot.

Tomcat

 

As far as I know right now...which isn't much...We will keep our old number at XJ or Compass...but thats all it will be is a number...right back to the bottom...I know there is a set number of slots for both Compass and Mesaba pilots per month, what that number is i dont know...however I do believe both XJ and Compass have seperate agreements as far as the flowthrough works...XJ offers a little bit more flowback protection...Mesaba has already had some people flow through to mainline premerger...but its been quite a while ( I think April) since the flow has started back up, anyone have any ideas?

 

i think i would go with asa

 

yeah i understand where you are coming from.... where do you work?

 

Congratulations! Hope the future is good for all of us. It be great to be you on the line at Delta in the future.

Tomcat