It is sad, no matter whatever the reason of the accident is, but let's just wait for the NTSB to do their jobs and determine the causes. If nothing else, we can all learn something from this tragedy. There may actually be some creedence in this WSJ article.
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I agree, let them determine what happened, NTSB folks are true professionals and they are unbiased.

To me, this was the saddest part of the whole article... They almost made it...

"...The pilots continued to fight with the controls almost all the way to the ground, and in the final moments, "it appeared that they were beginning to make headway when they ran out of altitude," said one person who looked at the data..."

 

What gets me, and I will not speculate about this accident until the NTSB comes out with a full report....many planes with abundance of power require a nose up attitude for stall recovery....this situation just makes me more and more sick!

 

Yes sir, I'm afraid the lawyers are standing by, ready to go. They eagerly await the results

 

you know what worries me...................It is not just aviation that the MEDIA botches up when reporting, think about it! Everything from bailouts to the economy is analyzed but these idiots and force fed to us and presumed as accurate, scary if you ask me

PS Yesterday when I was flying I was taking a look at the Attitude Indicate and man is 31 nose up a lot, I couldnt imagine being in that situation that low to ground.............terrble

 

The fine folks at the WSJ, a publication aimed at monitoring financial markets, somehow failed to advise us all to get out of the market 6-12 months ago, yet less than a week after the incident and with no aviation specialist on staff have determined it was the crew's fault.

My neighbor reads the WSJ. Maybe I should go into financial analysis.


I'm so mad I could spit.

 

Why do you folks torture yourselves by reading and discussing this trash reporting?

 

IF you read it often you'd seen that you should've started moving money around 12 months ago but nobody predicts $500B being removed from money market accounts in a 2 hour period in September that created a very expensive market crashing run. If you want to complain about the USA Today or NYT, I'm there. Anywhere you have a Ken and Barbie Doll reporting, I'm there complaining. But between the FT or WSJ, either one seems to know what they're talking about.

With that said, this is a forum and this article is reporting leaks FDR reports and if someone wants to post it and folks comment on it then fine. If for some reason this was a main wing stall and not an ice related tailplane stall then there is reason to compare it to the Jefferson City crash which had as a part of it deep stalls. The media screws up a lot of things when it comes to aviation but not everything. I'm sure if I leaked financial data to a pilot and asked them to write an article it might not be perfect either but it doesn't mean that the info isn't valid.

I mean how does this evidence not match up with the already NTSB evidence? If it was far out of whack then you could dismiss this information, but its not far out of whack. What tailplane stall causes a pitch up? Its worth reading if you're interested in following the crash.
But here are the pertinent parts of the article:

The investigation is still at an early stage, and National Transportation Safety Board officials have warned about ruling out potential causes or prematurely jumping to conclusions. But in the past few days, government and industry crash experts have gained a better understanding of the sequence of events as they have compared information from the plane's flight recorders with radar and weather data.

Mark Rosenker, the NTSB's acting chairman, said Tuesday that investigators still have "lots of data that needs to be examined," and "still more evidence that needs to be collected," before announcing firm conclusions.
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Investigators initially focused their attention on potential ice buildup on the plane's wings -- a perpetual hazard of aviation. People familiar with the investigation cautioned that they still aren't sure whether icing may have played a contributing role in the crash because it was on the minds of the pilots, but they noted that another Q400 flew through "moderate" icing conditions on the same route from Newark, N.J., to Buffalo the same night, landing without incident less than an hour after the crash.

According to the plane's flight recorders, Flight 3407's descent into Buffalo was routine until roughly a minute before impact, when the crew lowered the landing gear, followed by the command to extend the wing flaps, which enable the plane to fly at slower speeds.

Almost immediately, these people say, the plane's air speed slowed rapidly, causing a stall-warning device known as a "stick-shaker" to cause the pilots' control column to vibrate. This was followed by a "stick-pusher," which automatically forces the stick forward.

At this point, the captain appears to have pulled back with enough force to overpower the stick-pusher and shoved the throttles to full power, according to people familiar with the matter. Safety board officials said the nose pitched up to a 31-degree angle. Already at a dangerously low speed, the wings immediately stopped generating lift. The plane whipped to the left and then entered a steep right turn, losing 800 feet of altitude in less than five seconds. At one point the right wing was perpendicular to the ground, according to information taken from the flight data recorder.

The pilots continued to fight with the controls almost all the way to the ground, and in the final moments, "it appeared that they were beginning to make headway when they ran out of altitude," said one person who looked at the data.

A crash with many similarities occurred five years ago involving a regional jet operated by Pinnacle. Following that crash, which killed the two pilots outside Jefferson City, Mo., the safety board urged Pinnacle and other commuter operations to revamp training procedures, including how to recover from certain types of stalls. Investigators are seeking more information from Pinnacle about how it changed its procedures in the wake of the previous crash, as well as specific details about the training provided for the pilots on Flight 3407.

Pinnacle's Mr. Williams said that following the previous crash, "we continually evaluated our procedures in accordance with our commitment to safety."

 

Hey Forgot To Bid,

People on here want to moralize about what is right to talk about. You should know better, so stop being curious about what caused the crash (and how you can avoid the same fate) and wait just about forever for the official version. And oh yeah, all articles blaming pilots are complete garbage because we never make mistakes.

 

Oh geez, quit sounding like an incensed pre madonna, that and 9 posts makes me question your motives. YOU are completely off base, What we ( the pilots that struggle in the 121 environment, everyday) are trying to say is simply STOP SPECULATING, AND ASSUMING WHAT HAPPENED, UNTIL WE KNOW, AND YES THAT TAKES TIME, and then we can learn from the mistakes( be they pilot error or not), and adjust so a tradegy like this doesnt happen again..If you are a professional pilot ( as your profile suggests) then I think youd agree that to guess at the cause of this, and then change the way you fly based on that GUESS , would be totally uncalled for, and extremely premature.

That is all gear down before landing final checks...