WSJ: Pilot action may have led to Q400 crash
02-18-2009 | 06:23 AM
#22
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Hey Forgot To Bid,
People on here want to moralize about what is right to talk about. You should know better, so stop being curious about what caused the crash (and how you can avoid the same fate) and wait just about forever for the official version. And oh yeah, all articles blaming pilots are complete garbage because we never make mistakes.
People on here want to moralize about what is right to talk about. You should know better, so stop being curious about what caused the crash (and how you can avoid the same fate) and wait just about forever for the official version. And oh yeah, all articles blaming pilots are complete garbage because we never make mistakes.
02-18-2009 | 06:53 AM
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Oh geez, quit sounding like an incensed pre madonna, that and 9 posts makes me question your motives. YOU are completely off base, What we ( the pilots that struggle in the 121 environment, everyday) are trying to say is simply STOP SPECULATING, AND ASSUMING WHAT HAPPENED, UNTIL WE KNOW, AND YES THAT TAKES TIME, and then we can learn from the mistakes( be they pilot error or not), and adjust so a tradegy like this doesnt happen again..If you are a professional pilot ( as your profile suggests) then I think youd agree that to guess at the cause of this, and then change the way you fly based on that GUESS , would be totally uncalled for, and extremely premature.
That is all gear down before landing final checks...
That is all gear down before landing final checks...
Struggle in the 121 environment, is that like outer space or something?
02-18-2009 | 06:54 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
It is based on air data info and AoA...so a tailplane stall would probably not set it off initially unless the airplane was already at AS and AoA conditions which were conducive to wing stall.
02-18-2009 | 06:56 AM
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From: Light Chop
Whether this was a main wing stall or ice induced tailplane stall the resulting focus we've had on tailplane ice will at the least remind of us to think twice about ice forming on the tail and what that means to you, whether you fly anti-ice or de-ice aircraft.
Just because you have anti-ice doesn't mean that with a malfunction or OEI you won't be faced with ice buildup while trying to land.
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And to my knowledge stoki, the nose would pitch down in a "pure" tailplane stall and that shouldn't set off the shaker or pusher. I could be wrong. I watched those videos from NASA and I'll play with it when I get to the sim shortly.
Just because you have anti-ice doesn't mean that with a malfunction or OEI you won't be faced with ice buildup while trying to land.
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And to my knowledge stoki, the nose would pitch down in a "pure" tailplane stall and that shouldn't set off the shaker or pusher. I could be wrong. I watched those videos from NASA and I'll play with it when I get to the sim shortly.
02-18-2009 | 07:12 AM
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From: Airbus A320 F/O
My standard for "speculation" is-- is the info coming from the NTSB briefings? If so, we pilots can draw our own conclusions without having to wait a year for the final NTSB finding.
02-18-2009 | 07:13 AM
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Yea, I was thinking at the "initial" stall.
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I also watched that NASA video, which was really good and was thinking the same. Let us know what you find in the SIM, forgot to bid.
and let's all hope that article is wrong.
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I also watched that NASA video, which was really good and was thinking the same. Let us know what you find in the SIM, forgot to bid.
and let's all hope that article is wrong.
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