Just a single thing....your a reporter, fishing for a story. Notice number of post and sign in date.

Yeah, I know, I'm in trouble again....

 

They're one rung above reporters on the evolutionary latter.

 

After reading the transcript, I don't see how it can't be pilot error. Fatigue? Poor scan? Lack of situational awareness? Violation of sterile cockpit? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I am not one to Monday morning Quarterback and typically will always side with the pilot, because I know we are human. But, look at the transcript. There is constant conversation -- most of it non-flight related -- for the entire 58 minuets of the flight.

If I was involved in a constant conversation for 58 minuets after I woke up at noon with 10 hours of sleep I would be fatigued while I laid in bed. Let alone to fly an approach into an airport with low visibility and gusty winds.

Am I just old? Am I just flying an old aircraft? But, can you guys really check out with conversation for an entire flight then pop back in somewhere inside the initial approach fix?

I think the real question should be if we are so reliant on automation that we feel we can get away with not putting flying the airplane first until sometime after the gear is lowered. Because in my mind, there aren't too many airplanes out there that will let you do that.

Fire away.

 

ok.....not sure how you came up with that...but ok.Did not even ask a question. Actually, i just registered b.c. i finally got access to a non free email account. Or, actually finally realized i had an email address with my isp. Aside from that, everyone has to start somewhere.

I have been viewing these forums for i dunno at least 6-7 years, not sure when i started. I am currently in the left seat of a 121 carrier, and certaintly don't news report on my off days, nor while sitting rsv, which by the way i am doing this very moment.

 

And even if you are a reporter (And I don't think you are).. so what? It's the reporters that are going to shed some light on the broken racket mess that the "Regional" airlines are and the disaster they've been to not only our profession, but as will soon be very clear, to the traveling public.

Transparency Obama calls it, right?

 

All of the above hogwash aside, how about the biggest issue here: the release of the CVR tapes, and the broadcast of them to the nation tonight on ABC.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but CVRs were installed on airplanes to aid the INVESTIGATION. This was a collective agreement by airline pilots to solely aid in the investigation of aircraft accidents. I wasn't aware they would be used to drag dead pilots through the streets after a crash/incident.

We don't have these things(CVRs) in cars, trains, buses or boats. If this is how these tapes are going to be used, then CVRs need to be ripped out of every airplane. Under no circumstances should the last words of any person or pilot be heralded to the nation, and then stomped on by John Nance.

Side note: John Nance is a worthless piece of garbage.

We're the pilots at fault? Sounds like it, unfortunately.

Do they, or their families deserve for their last words to be plastered across the front page for the world to see? Hell no.

This is unacceptable and deplorable.

 

Was it the CVR tapes or the ATC tapes?

 

They didn't sound fatigued that's for sure. The CA kept making speeches about nothing the whole flight. And the rather quiet FO who just kept saying uh huh the whole flight finally spoke up and told him that she wanted to fly for Alaska or even Fedex or UPS too on the approach. Not to mention the dagger about her fear of icing that that she has no experience with it about 10 minutes before landing. Still it looks like the CAs actions doomed this flight not the FOs. Why the plane had the shaker go off is still under investigation though. It was 6 seconds before the pusher went off that's a long time to do something about it. Parts of the puzzle are missing unless they truly didn't know what to do.

 

If my negligent actions cause the deaths of myself, my crew and my passengers, feel free to blast me all you want. I deserve it. What's sad is the massive loss of innocent life in this accident due to the mistakes of the two trained professionals up front. People put their trust in us everyday, and if I break that trust, they have every right to "bash" me. I'm sorry if it hurts, but we as pilots have to take this criticism when we make a mistake like this.

 

The broadcast of what was on the CVR, via ABC. No actual recordings.