Agreed. By the time the media is done, whether you went to GIA or not, to the public, if your a pilot, half of you got your training at GIA. Guilty by industry association. Watch. I'll grab my popcorn. This is gonna be good.

So lets just go on and let the public stay in the dark about our dirty little secrets... cool, mkay..

Isn't the 1900 certified for single-pilot ops outside of the airlines?

If I may interject;
Well, all have a form of a "stick" and they have rudders so, they require some stick and rudder skills to fly......not as much as some other airplanes but, nevertheless.

What was the question?

Yeah... Because CNN (or FOX, MSNBC, etc.) will do such a great job of getting the truth out, mkay...

Agree....can't we all just save what little dignity these pilots' families have left?

Oh, well the question was what those airplanes have to do with stick and rudder skills (adverse yaw, aerobatics, spins, etc.). The reason I ask is that I've flown similar airplanes to those listed above and found that they didn't require much in the way of stick and rudder skills. They require other skills, such as planning ahead of the airplane, managing power, checklist usage, systems knowledge, etc. But my stick and rudder skills have eroded greatly from flying airplanes like Navajos, King Airs, Citations, etc. When I was flying taildraggers and teaching students to land in rudder limited crosswinds I was a much better stick and rudder pilot, no question about it. Fortunately I still teach a little bit part time to sort of stay current on singles and instruction, but I'm definitely not where I was a year or two ago.

The small stuff is what develops stick and rudder skills IMO...

Comair's Captain = Gulfstream?


Hi there, three days later and I'm still wondering if you've found that source yet.

You have stated that Comair 5191 Captain Jeffrey Clay was from Gulfstream, which I dispute.

There are dozens of articles that state Comair 5191 FO Jimmy Polehinke was at Gulfstream, but I have found nothing linkling Captain Clay to Gulfstream. Nor did he mention Gulfstream in the conversations I had with him prior to 5191, but maybe Gulfstream is something not every pilot would volunteer to a fellow crewmember.

You have made an accusation that now has 9,750 views.

Please reveal your source.

Not sure I am following you (again)... so big planes don't need stick and rudder? Ever fly a tri-jet on 1 engine? or in a gale force x-wind?

Since it's been established that the FO was GTA and not the Captain, I think it goes without saying that you're correct.. In the end, the premise of the thread remain intact... GTA trained crew in the last 3 airline disasters. Full Stop, and the tread remains valid, your friends legacy not withstanding.