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Gulfstream Faces Penalty on Pilot Hours, Maintenance - WSJ.com
Class Act Company..... Hopefully that fine puts them, and everyone who works there, out on the street where they belong! |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 614705)
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Originally Posted by Zapata
(Post 610863)
D@mn right I hate GIA! "Jealousy"? As in jealous of people that undermine our profession by buying a job? Not hardly.
400 hours / 30k = $75 an hour! u can't even rent a 172 for that price! Building Multi-engine, turbine, part 121 experience! where can you get that? I am not here for the job, just building time! any wrong with that? could of done the CFI route, but the industry has change! lots of CFI out there who got furlough from their airline are teaching! @ the end of the day its your money u can do what ever u want! and actually no one care on the real world! the only one that say GTA/GIA is a scab airlines are the ones that got nothing else to do! just my opinion! :) |
Originally Posted by rightside02
(Post 610495)
I agree it does look bad all day long. But the fact still remains someone comes and does a few hundred hours of flying at Gulfstream moves on to another 121 airline. Is there for a few years and actually upgrades to captain now has somewhere around 3500 hours TT in a totally different type of machine, operations etc. What does his 250 hours at Gulfstream have anything to do with what he decided to do 3 years later in a CRJ 200 at FL 410 ??? Swapping seats and doing all the things all these people did with these accidents. All of the above pilots went through trainging again at thier new airline had to get a type rating etc. He acumulated bad habbits over the years not just at Gulfstream flying the little 1900.
Kinda get tired of people bashing Gulfstream blamming the company for what actually is the responsibilty of the pilots , regardless of where they got thier original 250 hours. Sure all these guys did wrong ,yes. But doesnt change the fact that they must have picked up crappy habbits at their current company. Not what they did when they flew in florida 3 years ago. |
Originally Posted by HookEm
(Post 610505)
And what of the recent FedEx MD-11 accident?
Military flight training is recognized as the best in the world yet they still managed to make mistakes and it cost them their lives. Was their "foundation" flawed in some way? Gulfstream doesn't train pilots on the Q400 or the CRJ. Making sure those pilots are properly trained and fit for duty rests solely on the companies that hired them and trained them. Your opinion on Gulfstream is recognized but to try and put the blame on a company that has no control over pilots once they leave is a bit of a stretch. I'd be willing to bet the NTSB doesn't cite Gulfstream Training Academy in it's probable cause section. |
Originally Posted by Dan64456
(Post 618272)
Not for nothing, but the NTSB is usually wrong. They list probable causes based on political influence, and to justify their own existence.
They (NTSB) have a long track record of recommendations that the FAA has failed to act upon based upon political pressure on the FAA by the ATA, manufacturers and other special interest groups. |
Well said ATCsaidDoWhat... hats off you you
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Originally Posted by Turboprop
(Post 618267)
Hey Zapata you should be Mexican, any how... I am on the May class, and I am not buying a YOB I mean JOB! just building turbine, multi-engine time! thats it! no guarantee job for me! just wanna get in and get out! 400 hours not bad deal for $30K
400 hours / 30k = $75 an hour! u can't even rent a 172 for that price! Building Multi-engine, turbine, part 121 experience! where can you get that? I am not here for the job, just building time! any wrong with that? could of done the CFI route, but the industry has change! lots of CFI out there who got furlough from their airline are teaching! @ the end of the day its your money u can do what ever u want! and actually no one care on the real world! the only one that say GTA/GIA is a scab airlines are the ones that got nothing else to do! just my opinion! :) 30 grand given to gulfstream is 30 grand (or much more if you financed it) you just spent spinning your wheels. What job are you going to get with your 400 hours that you couldnt get by being a flight instructor? 30 GRAND!!!! in 5 years you are going to wish you either put that in the bank or didnt finance it. Just my 2 cents |
Coming from a CFI background myself at DCA and not GIA I feel obligated to comment here. At my airline which flys CRJs I have flown with half a dozen or more ex Gulfstreamers of which ALL of them were as, if not more knowledgeable than other Captains that went other routes. On most all occasions, in which there are many, I have seen the GIA guys hand fly raw data longer on T/O and land smoother on touchdown tons of times. This argument of GIA producing poor pilots is just pilot drama for drama sake. The stick and rudder skills are either there or not and engrained well before CFIing. Sure more hours slowly refine these skills but the basics are either there or not by that point. What did I gain of value from instructing you ask??? Not much, besides free hours and personal satisfaction of knowing I taught someone to fly. Stall recovery techniques and so forth were already in my bank of knowledge by this point. Not everyone reacts the correct way every time in a no S##t emergency and U CFI's should know this. Some guys/gals have it and some guys/gals don't. That's your dose of reality. So let go of these Holier-than-Thou attitudes some of you have because you instructed. Everyone takes their own path and if they're not cut out for it they are usually weeded out WELL before the regional level as Captains.
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 610475)
The last 3 fatal airline crashes Were Colgan, Comair 5191, and Pinnacle 3701
Colgans Captain = Gulfstream Comair's Captain = Gulfstream Both Pinnacle Pilots = Gulfstream Facts are facts |
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