Originally Posted by BigBallzMagee (Post 618313)

Coming from a CFI background myself at DCA and not GIA I feel obligated to comment here. At my airline which flys CRJs I have flown with half a dozen or more ex Gulfstreamers of which ALL of them were as, if not more knowledgeable than other Captains that went other routes. On most all occasions, in which there are many, I have seen the GIA guys hand fly raw data longer on T/O and land smoother on touchdown tons of times. This argument of GIA producing poor pilots is just pilot drama for drama sake. The stick and rudder skills are either there or not and engrained well before CFIing. Sure more hours slowly refine these skills but the basics are either there or not by that point. What did I gain of value from instructing you ask??? Not much, besides free hours and personal satisfaction of knowing I taught someone to fly. Stall recovery techniques and so forth were already in my bank of knowledge by this point. Not everyone reacts the correct way every time in a no S##t emergency and U CFI's should know this. Some guys/gals have it and some guys/gals don't. That's your dose of reality. So let go of these Holier-than-Thou attitudes some of you have because you instructed. Everyone takes their own path and if they're not cut out for it they are usually weeded out WELL before the regional level as Captains.

Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 618289)

I'd love to see your proof that quantifies this statement. Having known a few of their investigators and observing how they work and come to conclusions, I'd say you have no clue on the planet about what you are saying.

They (NTSB) have a long track record of recommendations that the FAA has failed to act upon based upon political pressure on the FAA by the ATA, manufacturers and other special interest groups.

Originally Posted by AviatorAl04 (Post 618292)

Well said ATCsaidDoWhat... hats off you you

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 618328)

The people that want to see GIA scapegoated for this tradgedy, are so blinded by misplaced anger (or sense of Im better that you) do not realize they are ultimatly going to destroy the entire regional profession. Remember the only difference between a GTA grad with 300hrs hitting the line for IOE, and any of you other 300hr guys that started at (name your regional here) 2 years ago, is we paid for our training...period, thats the facts, whether you aknowledge them or not.

Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 618349)

very few airlines were EVER hiring under 500 TT and if you were hired with that low of a TT then you are extremely lucky, had a perfect resume, and were willing to work for a less than desirable company.

how are people that want to see the PFT programs end going to ruin this industry? could they be trying to create a sense of respect for our profession? These programs dont teach anything that you cant learn while on IOE at a real airline. You basically have people running around playing airline pilot because they are willing to pay the cash... THERES a reason they cant get hired ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!

Enough with the shortcuts! Getting hired with low time is dangerous, upgrading captains with little to no real world flying experience is deadly, and these programs do nothing but "sell" young, inexperienced, cocky, and frustrated pilots that they to can play the "glamorous airline pilot." Thats why this BS needs to be outlawed and stopped. This race to hire the most inexperienced pilots possible because they are too dumb to recognize their poor treatment or QOL is a race to the graveyard.

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 618363)

I happen to agree with you that there are many things need to be fixed in the regional industry. But GIA isnt one of them

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 618363)

I happen to agree with you that there are many things need to be fixed in the regional industry. But GIA isnt one of them