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ToiletDuck 05-15-2009 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 611735)
where you go in this industry is how you conduct yourself in adversity, and I choose to continue to achieve the different goals I set when I became a Professional Pilot...
Get ahead at all costs. You're right we have differing opinions.

TPROP4ever 05-15-2009 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 611734)
PinnacleFO stated in the original post that Comair Captain = Gulfstream. He did not mention the Comair FO. I'm asking him to support his facts.

Comair 5191 - Jeffrey Clay was the Captain, Jimmy Polehinke was the FO and only survivor.
Sorry, I thought that was addressed to my posting that the FO was GIA...my bad:cool:

TPROP4ever 05-15-2009 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 611738)
Get ahead at all costs. You're right we have differing opinions.
Again, thats your opinion, I simply identified an advanced training course that I felt was a good fit for me. Im no more further ahead, or behind then someone who went the CFI route, and started 121 the same time as me, were all furloughed, so that argument doesnt hold water,

CE750 05-15-2009 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 610475)
The last 3 fatal airline crashes Were Colgan, Comair 5191, and Pinnacle 3701
Colgans Captain = Gulfstream
Comair's Captain = Gulfstream
Both Pinnacle Pilots = Gulfstream


Facts are facts
Wow, amazing... welcome to the era of "I want to buy a job as airline pilot" ... "never mind aptitude, I'm paying cash!" [sic]

Slice 05-15-2009 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 611741)
Again, thats your opinion, I simply identified an advanced training course that I felt was a good fit for me. Im no more further ahead, or behind then someone who went the CFI route, and started 121 the same time as me, were all furloughed, so that argument doesnt hold water,
Did you attend the Clinton school of morality?

Slice 05-15-2009 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 611722)
Next you'll be saying that millionaires that pay to ride into space aren't really cosmonauts...
Ask a NASA professional what their opinion of them would be...if you think it would be different then here you're wrong. Hell, if I bought a ride I wouldn't consider myself an astronaut or cosmonaut...just a guy that got to ride into space. It is what it is.

ToiletDuck 05-15-2009 09:09 PM
Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 611741)
Again, thats your opinion, I simply identified an advanced training course that I felt was a good fit for me. Im no more further ahead, or behind then someone who went the CFI route, and started 121 the same time as me, were all furloughed, so that argument doesnt hold water,
What you don't get is that it's not a training course if you're flying families in the back. You don't train while on the job. You train during training. You are suppose to know exactly what it is you're suppose to be doing when you're sitting up front. Of course people make their little Freudian slips on the radio or maybe didn't hear a call correctly but make no mistake you are not there to be training and that's the exact reason why GIA should be shut down by the FAA. It should be the first place visited. They are basically advertising to put unqualified individuals in the seats. Now they might pass a checkride but so can someone attending ATP where you get a crash course tailored to pass then they forget everything once they walk out the door. You don't train with people in the back. You don't train with people in the back. You don't train with people in the back.

CE750 05-15-2009 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 611750)
What you don't get is that it's not a training course if you're flying families in the back. You don't train while on the job. You train during training. You are suppose to know exactly what it is you're suppose to be doing when you're sitting up front. Of course people make their little Freudian slips on the radio or maybe didn't hear a call correctly but make no mistake you are not there to be training and that's the exact reason why GIA should be shut down by the FAA. It should be the first place visited. They are basically advertising to put unqualified individuals in the seats. Now they might pass a checkride but so can someone attending ATP where you get a crash course tailored to pass then they forget everything once they walk out the door. You don't train with people in the back. You don't train with people in the back. You don't train with people in the back.
Wow, I never thought of it that way.. I truly wonder if the passengers who are buying Continental Airlines tickets know that their first officer is a trainee, paying for his flight time? This should be disclosed to them it seems to me from the point of ethics. This isn't the same as an IOE with a qualified check airman, this is totally different and it seems like there should be a subpart in the FARs proscribing it's existence or it should be shut down.

I might just call the FAA and urinate in the wind on this one... what else do I have to do?

ToiletDuck 05-15-2009 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by CE750 (Post 611752)
Wow, I never thought of it that way.. I truly wonder if the passengers who are buying Continental Airlines tickets know that their first officer is a trainee, paying for his flight time? This should be disclosed to them it seems to me from the point of ethics. This isn't the same as an IOE with a qualified check airman, this is totally different and it seems like there should be a subpart in the FARs proscribing it's existence or it should be shut down.

I might just call the FAA and urinate in the wind on this one... what else do I have to do?
On paper it's technically not instruction.... but that's exactly what 250hr wonder boy is getting.

hockeypilot44 05-15-2009 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 611735)
And you are entitled to your opinions, as I am. What I mean it worked for me is I learned everything they said they would teach me, and I learned a lot from many good captains, including some who came from other outfits as street guys, the program was as advertised. If I had gone to American Eagle in 07 when they were hiring wet CMEL's, like me, I have a feeling Id still be furloughed and in a 135 pool, that argument pretty much is a wash. If the industry wasnt where it is, I wouldnt be furloughed and neither would a bunch of others, id be working on my hours to qualify for upgrade. by the way I choose to use the free time to work on ATP written, college degree, and CFI. People where you go in this industry is how you conduct yourself in adversity, and I choose to continue to achieve the different goals I set when I became a Professional Pilot...
You are doing everything ass-backwards. Most people "get qualified" before taking the job of airline pilot. You do the job first, get furloughed, and now decide to qualify yourself.


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