Yeah, Im sure you can read her mind as to why she instructed that long......and got forbid you should have fun skiing on a day off! :rolleyes:

Not when you have to fly hundreds of people the next day on the other side of the continent.

God forbid you should have fun all day and then show up sick and tired to work and participate in the killing of 50 people and the destruction of a multi-million dollar aircraft.

Just because you have "time off" doesnt mean it is meant for you to live it up. As a pilot our sole purpose for existing is to show up FULLY rested and not just in a legal context, but in the physical real world...we would probably need 20 hours of "Rest Period" to actually get to our sharpest.

I don't believe Gulfstream is to blame, but there is probably a common factor in the personalities of the people that choose to go there.

Edit: Now that I read the whole thread, I see someone else said that.

Enough is enough.. may the poor guy R.I.P, he must not have been the sharpest tool in the shed and his lack judgement, ability etc made him pay the price. Unfortunately it cost many innocent people and one of us cummuting home the a lesson that we shall never forget. Gulfstream has not always produced a bunch of dumb@#$*'s. But they have certainly rolled out the red carpet for many, some still sharing cockpits with some of you guys!! Lets use this accident as benchmark of what never to do and uplift the standards of professionalism in our own offices. Let the dead lie dead.

I agree. When I worked in corporate america at a desk job if I had an important day on Monday I would make sure I was rested for it. That meant not going out Sunday night and getting to bed early. I can't condem her for skiing the day before as we are all different and have our own levels of what we can take but she was clearly (multiple yawns and sneezes in the CVR as well as admittedly being out of it that day) wasn't operating at 100%. I can't say that I have been 100% on 100% of my flights but I have called in sick in the middle of a trip when I felt that safety might be compromised had I continued.

If you take nothing else away from this accident just think of it the next time you are feeling tired or sick or anything before a flight of 50 or so people board your airplane or before you go out the night before work.

Just cause y'all are out of shape and cant handle flying the day after some fun on the slopes doesn't mean the rest of us are the same way...
For some its relaxing.

Where I worked, if you called in sick in the middle of a trip you were forced to stay at the hotel for 24 hours before you could limo home. If you commuted and got out of dodge early and the CP found out, you'd be in his office in a heartbeat. If on day 2 of a 4 day, you are better of toughing it out. Obviously, personal judgment should still dictate the "correct" decision (IMSAFE), but it makes the decision more difficult.

Talk about accentuating "get-there-itis". Guilty until proven innocent was the motto where I worked.

Folks, the airline biz is a sinking ship. I got treated with with more respect when I used to straighten merchandise at Sam's Club through college. I am not kidding.

EDIT: I'll never forget the time I asked for a jury duty letter to give to the courthouse. A flight manager typed it up for me and left it in my mailbox. I checked my mail and read this letter and it read as if it had been drafted by a 3rd grader. Missing punctuation, "Ms." (my obviously male name), commas in the wrong places, capitalized letters in the middle of sentences. I mean, really?

I ended up having to go into his office, stand over his shoulder (literally) and tell him what to correct to make this letter presentable. Needless to say, he was embarrassed. I try to avoid general statements, but this is one example of a person in a management position at an airline. Un-freaking-believable.

I live in base so if they wanted to waste the money and get me a hotel room (and pay me per diem since they are requiring me to be there) that would be fine with me :D

Had I not lived in base and they offered me a hotel I would have been very appreciative for the kind gesture.

agree with your point sir.... and still thinking of going there for June Class... regarless of what happend @ Colgan.. GIA has nothing to do with that... its who you are, where you go, and what ever you have you will take it to the next airline you work for.... if you had bad habbits from day one u will have it, hoping it will not kill you.