By the way, (since you're being a grammar Nazi), it is; "I couldn't care less". Saying "I could care less" conveys the opposite meaning.

Anyway, Southwest doesn't require that you buy your job. They only require that you have a 737 type rating and if you do have to pay for it, the money doesn't go to Southwest. Gulfstream (which gets the money), however, requires that you buy your job so that you can warm a seat, pay more to RIDE the airplane than a passenger and, on top of it all, you don't even get a type rating. No matter how you try to rationalize your whoring yourself out, it isn't the same.......HUGE difference. Since you're an amateur, I don't expect you to understand. Now THAT is what is really funny.

After you get your hypocritical foot out of your mouth, you can actually use your underused brain. A. I don't work for Gojet. B. Even if I did, your cute little theory is a non sequitur. GIA and GJ are not even in the same ballpark. See? GJ pilots don't have to buy their jobs. GIA pilots buy their jobs.....pretty simple stuff here.

Probably, however. . . One of the members of the NTSB (CA Sumwalt) asked Colgan's VP of Admin. on Wednesday (re: the accident CA's qualifications when he was hired by Colgan):

Is this a program where someone pays a sum of $ and gets to ride around in the right seat of a 121 carrier?

Look, he has limited time, on the record, in the hearing. He's a recognized expert in his field. If the NTSB is saying this, maybe those couple contributors on this thread who are lauding praise on Gulfstream Academy should think twice. The NTSB has literally questioned the quality of the program 'on the record'. Perhaps it's time to rethink your feelings on Gulfstream Academy, which I recognize is a hard thing to do when you invested thousands of $'s for what you perceived to be a quality experience.

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I know this is asking for too much, but could those who don't feel any affection for 'Academy' grads just hang back for a bit? Thank you, fellow professionals.

I'd like to hear from some of the GIA CA's and the couple FO's who did not go through GIA's 'Academy'. What do you guys think of the 'Academy' pilots? What could be done to improve the program for future grads?

Heck, even 'Academy' grads- putting aside your natural protective feelings about your past, what could be improved (other than the cost, of course)?

The Gulfstream Pay For Training SCAM program is dangerous to piloting. Forget about the politics. Why would one go to Gulfstream in the first place? To take a SHORT CUT. It allows 40 year old Joe Shmoe from INNITECH who has always wanted to fly but doesn't know jack about flying or have any sense of mechanical aptitude to become a first officer flying unssupecting passengers. All that is needed is money. The fact that the Pinnacle 410 CA, Comair CA, and this Colgan CA all came from Gulfstream says a whole lot. The multiple failures is also deafening. The fact that a professional airline pilot's instinct is to pull up during a stall at a 20 degrees pitch up attitude is a complete disaster. THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT A RANDOM NON-PILOT PULLED FROM THE STREET INTO A LEVEL D SIM WOULD DO IF GIVEN A STALL SCENARIO. Every person that has touched this CAs logbook should be accountable.

First response, already venomous. Like I said, I KNEW it was asking too much.

Will the 'regionals' forum ever be about improving the lot of airline pilots as a whole, or just tearing down others?

I say SCAM because it's not a job, you are on a ride along for 250 hours. You then make room for the next victim and go on your merry way with whatever you can find with 250 hours of experience. Like Colgan or Pinnacle when they were hiring. Meanwhile management are actually getting pilots to pay them to give them a job. There is something fundamentally wrong with that.

If the regionals, as a whole, are ever going to improve it will have to be from the ground up. It's not about "just tearing others down", but physically drawing a line in the sand and picking your side.

The more divided a group is the easier it is to pit that group against itself.
In a nutshell, for things to change one significant thing needs to happen.
Pilots need to stop thinking about what will get them a job the quickest and start thinking about what their personal value is.

Colgan used to have a similar program back in the day, but eliminated it when they realized the degrading standards of their line pilots.

In all honesty, when I was starting off my career I looked into a PFT program and then said to myself why would I pay a company to train me in their aircraft when if I get hired somewhere else the company will pay for my training?
The last group of people that worked as indentured servants were known as slaves, and pilots in this country are already close enough to slave wages as it is without crap programs like Gulfstream expanding rampant.

Put the EGO's on the shelf...Noone on this forum is exempt or immune from being in an accident/ incident.......

That Noone guy is everywhere,so I had to see who he is.This is what Urban Dictionary had to say :

"Noone
At the age of fifteen, Peter Noone achieved international fame as "Herman", lead singer of the legendary Sixties pop band Herman's Hermits.

His classic hits included: "I'm Into Something Good" "Mrs. Brown, you've Got A Lovely Daughter", "I'm Henry VIII, I Am", "Silhouettes", "Can't You Hear My Heartbeat", "Just A Little Bit Better", "Wonderful World", "There's A Kind of Hush", "A Must To Avoid", "Listen People", "The End of the World" and "Dandy".

Ultimately, Herman's Hermits sold over sixty million recordings. In all, fourteen singles and seven albums went gold. The Hermits were twice named Cashbox's "Entertainer of the Year".

A cursory inspection reveals that Peter is a friend to all. However, Peter's friendliness seems to have backfired, and thus during flame wars, focktards can often be found yelling at each other that "Noone likes you!" or "Noone asked for your opinion".

From "Noone wants to listen to your ****e" to "Noone believes you for a minute", Peter somehow manages to become involved in every argument. The fact that Peter likes emo kids is the cause for a great deal of Internet angst; in fact, two out of every three cutter icons contain text to the effect of "Noone likes me".

Why Peter's friendship, trust, or willingness to listen is viewed as a negative is not known.

From Encyclopediadramatica.
Noone knows who Peter Noone is.


I loved this from Sniper:
"First response, already venomous. Like I said, I KNEW it was asking too much.

Will the 'regionals' forum ever be about improving the lot of airline pilots as a whole, or just tearing down others?"

Only tearing down those don't "improve the lot of airline pilots as a whole".

Noone is talking with an ego here:confused: