Letter to CJC President...
#11
Oh brother. Another 172 pilot who thinks they know how the airlines work. These people ie gov have no idea how the airlines work. It's very obvious that they are asking the wrong questions and are focusing on things that are not important. They're probably gong to make it harder for us pilots. Lack of training is not the issue. We train on stalls. It's flying 101. Also, the fact of the matter is that Colgan knew everything legally possible about both pilot's back ground. Apparently you can fail 141 training and still have the records show that you passed all. That's not Colgan's fault. Raising the mins won't change anything as these pilots were already high timers for regional standards. I hope this doesn't turn into a circus.
#12
If the congressman had done his homework he would realize that many regionals have pilots in their ranks hired with wet commercial licences. This was not just a Colgan thing but a fact for many regional airlines needing butts to fill seats.
Also he would have seen that the pilots had enough rest as mandated by the FEDERAL Aviation Administration. Perhaps he should look to his backyard in DC about why pilots can be worked 16 hours a day.
Lack of training? Well, again he should have done his homework being the super pilot that he is. The FEDERAL Aviation Administration is the one who approves the training sylabus for the airline. Again, the congressman should look in his own backyard.
I can give a rats butt about if this guy was in the military and flew fats or a 172 on the weekend. This is grandstanding and nothing more. If he had any clue he would realize that this is not a Colgan problem but a issue that affects all regional pilots.
#13
Agreed. This is not about what experience the congressman has but on the lack of substance of his questions. You want the man to be credible based on his C-130 and military experience but his questions and letter to Colgan reeks of grandstanding and unintelligent media sensationalism propaganda.
If the congressman had done his homework he would realize that many regionals have pilots in their ranks hired with wet commercial licences. This was not just a Colgan thing but a fact for many regional airlines needing butts to fill seats.
Also he would have seen that the pilots had enough rest as mandated by the FEDERAL Aviation Administration. Perhaps he should look to his backyard in DC about why pilots can be worked 16 hours a day.
Lack of training? Well, again he should have done his homework being the super pilot that he is. The FEDERAL Aviation Administration is the one who approves the training sylabus for the airline. Again, the congressman should look in his own backyard.
I can give a rats butt about if this guy was in the military and flew fats or a 172 on the weekend. This is grandstanding and nothing more. If he had any clue he would realize that this is not a Colgan problem but a issue that affects all regional pilots.
If the congressman had done his homework he would realize that many regionals have pilots in their ranks hired with wet commercial licences. This was not just a Colgan thing but a fact for many regional airlines needing butts to fill seats.
Also he would have seen that the pilots had enough rest as mandated by the FEDERAL Aviation Administration. Perhaps he should look to his backyard in DC about why pilots can be worked 16 hours a day.
Lack of training? Well, again he should have done his homework being the super pilot that he is. The FEDERAL Aviation Administration is the one who approves the training sylabus for the airline. Again, the congressman should look in his own backyard.
I can give a rats butt about if this guy was in the military and flew fats or a 172 on the weekend. This is grandstanding and nothing more. If he had any clue he would realize that this is not a Colgan problem but a issue that affects all regional pilots.
Hence, my original and only point whatsoever:
Before calling somebody a C-172 weekend warrior, first make sure they are not a USAF C-130 major. out
#15
This congressmen served our country with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and I thank him for his service. But just as I know nothing about flying missions over hostile lands, I assume he knows about the same about life as a regional pilot.
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Quote: "Even worse was the anemic defense issued by Colgan Air that, "[a] stick pusher demonstration in an aircraft simulator is not required by the FAA and was not part of the training syllabus." Even the most basic pilot training – from Cessnas to bombers – includes basic training to correct a stall."
Really? So a B2 pilots demonstrate a full stall recovery during training? Remember Capt. Glen Edwards and the YB-49? How about you 747 pilots.............do you demonstrate "pusher" or "full stall" recoveries? 71, 73, 75, 76, 77 pilots? Airbus A300, A310, A318, A319, A320, A321, A330, A340 pilots? How about you Mad Doggers? Anyone?
I have no problems with changes that better our industry but somebody needs to educate this Congressmen on the "basic" differences between Cessna’s and transport category aircraft or any other aircraft for that matter with higher performance than a basic GA plane.
Really? So a B2 pilots demonstrate a full stall recovery during training? Remember Capt. Glen Edwards and the YB-49? How about you 747 pilots.............do you demonstrate "pusher" or "full stall" recoveries? 71, 73, 75, 76, 77 pilots? Airbus A300, A310, A318, A319, A320, A321, A330, A340 pilots? How about you Mad Doggers? Anyone?
I have no problems with changes that better our industry but somebody needs to educate this Congressmen on the "basic" differences between Cessna’s and transport category aircraft or any other aircraft for that matter with higher performance than a basic GA plane.
At NWA we had to do full stall recovery in the DC9 sim, but no pusher since it doesn't have one.
#18
Again, the content of his letter is negligible. I asked your credentials, you didnt respond. You reduced an air force major C-130 captain to a C-172 weekend warrior who doesnt understand aviation. Thats only what I was touching on. Check your facts before throwing mud. End of point. Over
So let's happy that congress is coming after Colgan, cause in doing so their finally doing something good by addressing some of the more important issues.
Fly Safe,
Bond
#20
A true disgrace to the REAL AirWillie pilots! Especially if you are privilieged enough to know about UAL's RFP for AWAC flying and who ended up with some of that flying...
Thread Hijack overwith, please return to your normal rants.
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