Everything's different when you take it out of context. Nice chop.

 

Well... my outrage is more with hypocrisy than anything else. It just cracks me up to see all these Republic guys saying how they "don't want those airplanes... how they're so sorry, how it's so wrong, etc." Yet, they don't want to step up and actually do something about it, let alone do something that might not benefit them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - spare us the hypocrisy and just jump for joy or if you're serious - do something about it.

 

Fast Forward 7 years and this thread will read RAH pilots get replaced by:
-<insert new regional> pilots who paid for trained their first year
-FO pay: 2nd year/ $10, 3rd year/$23, 4th year/ $24.50
Flying:
<insert jet manufacturer> new fuel efficient 150 seat uberRJ

It's called business, right?

 

My outrage is that I'm left with this big of crap at my doorstep. Now we have to clean this mess up and make it right. Give us a chance to do that before you use RAH pilots as the scapegoat for something that management did! Where is the hipocracy?

 

Me too!

I keep calling people on it, yet nobody ever responds.

There is PLENTY of hypocrisy to go around in this thread, specifically those calling for Republic to give away the seats on these airplanes to MEH pilots when not a *single* regional airline has done in the past out of the kindness of their hearts when they've grown and "taken" flying away from a shrinking mainline partner.

Only now that we hit the magical 100 seat mark does everybody seem to be up in arms about it...and you, among others, start calling for Republic pilots to surrender their seniority on these airplanes.

THAT, my friend, is hypocrisy at its finest.

 

No it's not.

 

Wow! you are quite the judgemental one! So, if you worked for RAH, you would quit, right? That ideological attitude that you take, won't get you far in the real world pal.

 

Actually, I've been up at arms since regionals started replacing mainline jobs. I wanted anything that didn't have props flown by mainline pilots.
To put it in simple terms, I'm opposed to the entire idea of subcontracting. Another thing is... I've flown for both: an airline that owned its own code and wasn't a subcontractor; and a subcontractor - a commuter. Call me biased, but I am sort of partial to the higher paid people.

Let me put this in your context:

You started flying for your boss in a Citation Ultra. He traded it for a CJ2+ and that's what you're flying now - and you got a little raise. Now, your boss decides he'll start using contract pilots on some trips instead of you and he'll dock you pay for flights/days he used contract pilots. Adding insult to injury, these contract pilots make 50% less than you do. So now, your boss decides to trade in the CJ2+ and get a Sovereign. He'll use those contract pilots to cover the trips and this leaves you high and dry. Now... you're ticked off at the whole situation, but now those contract pilots start telling you how wrong it is what's happening to you, how it sucks that you're in this position, and how there's nothing they can do to help it.

I tend to disagree. There's plenty they can do... but they choose to extend fake sympathies to you instead of actually doing something about it. Is this not hypocrisy?

 

So... no one has any real suggestions then? I have one... just deal with it, and don't blame the pilot group. For the people flying these jets (the more senior RAH pilot's that will most likely never go to mainline) why would this be a bad thing? Even for the less senior pilot's, it represents growth in a company in a time when few, if any companies are growing (not just in the airline industry). Why should they care? It isn't their business to make sure that you as midwest pilot's have a job. Midwest is going to fail at some point or another, and would have already failed on two separate occasions if not for the actions of outside companies/investors. And after a major screwing given to skyway pilot's by the midwest pilot's group, how can you be so indignant about this? Back then, what were you trying to do? You were trying to protect your own jobs even if at the expense of someone else. I don't blame you for that attitude, but don't complain when others do it too...

 

Considering I was an ALPA volunteer during my stint at a regional I fully understand the implications of this, but I think that your parallel to 91 is flawed and while I'd love to elaborate, I don't have the time...perhaps later.

What would you have them do? Usurp their seniority and give away those seats which are rightfully theirs per their negotiated and hard-fought for CBA, overlooking their own currently furloughed pilots whom they have a duty to represent before the pilots of any other airline?