RAH 190's Base and Pay Memo
06-22-2009 | 10:05 PM
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We can defend them on a lot of issues, and yes, I was around when that contract was negotiated and know full well the ins and outs.
And YES, we can can go over the reasoning behind how an FO pay rate at a "regional" airline is negotiated. blah blah blah and FO won't be in that seat long.....blah blah blah you can't waste negotiating capitol on FO pay rates......blah blah blah scope protection, blah blah blah.
Some of that's valid, some of that is TOTAL CRAP. There is absolutely NO excuse why an FO should be making that LITTLE to operate and aircraft that size. Especially relative to what OTHER contemporaries were paying their 50 seat FO's, let alone more than 50 seats.
06-23-2009 | 03:39 AM
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When you compare RAH 50 seat pay to other airlines' 50 seat pay, you see that the RAH pay rate is on par with the rest of the industry. A CHQ FO makes more than some 50 seat FOs, and less than others. Remember than when the FO pay rate was negotiated, the 50 seat RJ was the biggest plane on RAH property. An appropriate wage was negotiated in the eyes of the people who flew that airplane. The flaw was in that the same pay rate was allowed to carry over to any larger airplane that RAH might acquire down the road. But, it was hard to justify wasting negotiating capital on the FO pay of planes not even ordered, especially when the rates for the actual aircraft on property were as good as most everyone else's.
06-23-2009 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast
But, it was hard to justify wasting negotiating capital on the FO pay of planes not even ordered, especially when the rates for the actual aircraft on property were as good as most everyone else's.
06-23-2009 | 05:26 AM
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I'll answer this. At the time, every single pilot on property knew they would be a captain within two years. They took care of themselves at the expense of their future new hires and the entire industry.
06-23-2009 | 05:55 AM
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"I got mine, I'll be at a major in a couple years."
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06-23-2009 | 06:32 AM
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When you compare RAH 50 seat pay to other airlines' 50 seat pay, you see that the RAH pay rate is on par with the rest of the industry. A CHQ FO makes more than some 50 seat FOs, and less than others. Remember than when the FO pay rate was negotiated, the 50 seat RJ was the biggest plane on RAH property. An appropriate wage was negotiated in the eyes of the people who flew that airplane. The flaw was in that the same pay rate was allowed to carry over to any larger airplane that RAH might acquire down the road. But, it was hard to justify wasting negotiating capital on the FO pay of planes not even ordered, especially when the rates for the actual aircraft on property were as good as most everyone else's.
It isn't always the money my friend... more often it's the work rules that make or break the job.... and unfortunately, with RAH having enough capital to loan money to Midwest, and buy Frontier outright... your pay and workrules stink.
06-23-2009 | 07:42 AM
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When you compare RAH 50 seat pay to other airlines' 50 seat pay, you see that the RAH pay rate is on par with the rest of the industry. A CHQ FO makes more than some 50 seat FOs, and less than others. Remember than when the FO pay rate was negotiated, the 50 seat RJ was the biggest plane on RAH property. An appropriate wage was negotiated in the eyes of the people who flew that airplane. The flaw was in that the same pay rate was allowed to carry over to any larger airplane that RAH might acquire down the road. But, it was hard to justify wasting negotiating capital on the FO pay of planes not even ordered, especially when the rates for the actual aircraft on property were as good as most everyone else's.
06-23-2009 | 07:10 PM
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Nice, huh?
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