strumphie

Because they're uneducated loud mouths. I'm astounded by the ignorance on this website, although I do find it entertaining at times.

johnso29

Not completely. It is a HUGE SLAP in the face to Midwest Pilots who paid dues for so many years. I think there are even RAH pilots who can admit that.

Mason32

To cross a picket line, the union and company must have been at an impass. They were.

They must have gone through arbitration/mediation and been released to self help....

they never got to do any of that....

management didn't waste any time waiting for a strike, they basically fired them, and hired an outside subcontractor. Call it furlough, layoff, fired, terminated, whatevery you want...

so, it is basically the same thing... in either case you are taking another union members job.

When the term first originated, nobody expected or thought of this type of situation. We were all used to a strike, and management hiring replacement workers... nobody thought of them bypassing hiring their own employees and just contracting an outside company to do it for them.

It's the same result.

One last thought, with all the money being "loaned" to Midwest by RAH, in return for extended contracts, at what point do merger and other kickback laws kick in.... sounds like a corporate end run around the law, just like they did an end run around the labor laws...

Holy Toledo

By this logic, almost every regional pilot group is comprised of thousands of "Scabs". Almost every regional flying right now added flying, airplanes, and pilots while majors furloughed and parked airplanes. And in many of these cases, the "replacement" pilots belonged to the same union.

If you're going to re-define "scab" be prepared to compile a long list.

whoareyou310

who cares!!!!!

Mason32

I am fairly sure that those regionals were adding flying based upon negotiated and bargained contracts (scope) that allowed the flying to go to a regional. In this case the company ceased negotiating with the pilots, layed them off, and replaced them with outside workers.
Regardless if the company hired the workers themselves, or an outside contractor to provide the workers, the end result was the same.... and how they got there is SIGNIFICANTLY different than how the other regionals obtained their flying.

There was no scope agreement to outsource all flying except for the staff for nine airplanes.

AirWillie

How could the company just lay them off and replace them with outside workers? Isn't that why you have unions and contracts?

aviatormjc

Midwest pilots have the opportunity to fly the RAH's E170s (violation of RAH contract) instead of RAH but are required to take a pay cut in doing so. So now RAH must fly them, if they refuse then they lose their job too. What is a Midwest/RAH pilot to do?

Mason32

exactly... which is why more of us should be ticked off even more about this.... because they did it.

So the Midwest pilots refused to violate RAH's contract... wish that worked both ways...

aviatormjc

No they voted not to take a pay cut. Why would Midwest care about RAH's contract? The opportunity still stands for Midwest pilots to take that flying which would leave RAH S.O.L.