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Old 06-13-2009 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Looking at Colgan's contract that's not hard to believe.
I wasn't aware that we had a contract... thought we were on the "make up the rules as we go" program.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 03:38 PM
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As far was Colgan getting dropped by CAL, won't happen completely. I don't know when the Saab contract is up, but I think it's around the corner. I could see the Saab contract being terminated then having the next 15 Qs going to IAH.

Now will Colgan still be Colgan a year from now is the real question. There's a lot of outside forces involved in the industry now (mostly politicians). Management will wait until the dust settles with the possible changes coming and then adjust the business model accordingly. I'm planning on three possibilities:

1) PNCL gets rid of Colgan via bankrupcy, rights it off as a poor investment and moves on. Very unlikely.

2) PNCL gets rid of Colgan name, renames company "Simply The Best" airlines and continues on normal course of high work low morale.

3) PNCL picks apart Colgan, puts the Q's on PNCL certificate, rest is sold.

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Old 06-13-2009 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Far Sides
They're going to stop using runways designated as 9L? You work for a runway?
where do i send my resume?
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Old 06-13-2009 | 03:49 PM
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It will be like ValueJet-----------> Airtran
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Old 06-13-2009 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MudPupppy
3) PNCL picks apart Colgan, puts the Q's on PNCL certificate, rest is sold.
The only thing around those parts that is worth anything ... the Q flying. This wouldnt be a surprise, especially after the ALPA vote ...
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Old 06-13-2009 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
I am sure the cost of 3407 will far outweigh any savings CAL had planned with the Q400, at least for now. I have noticed a lot of Colgan flying in our open time, it is interesting to say the least. I guarantee you, you wont see Q400's doing any flying in Mexico, but I will also tell ya they are not going anywhere in the northeast
I do not think the "costs" outweigh the savings of the Q400 vs RJ's over the next 10 Years. And by costs do you mean the 1 pax out of 100 that wont fly CAL because of 3407 (during the short time before people forget about 3407)

What are you going to put up from that guarantee? Dont make me pull this post up later on like everyone did with your "I love Colgan" thread back in the day.

Cost rules. Check out oil prices lately? As much as Colgan sucks they are cheap and mainline will want cheap once oil is back around $100+ again.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MudPupppy
The Q400 is paid per departure, Saabs are on a shared revenue program.
Thanks.

Originally Posted by MudPupppy
Colgan gets paid somewhere in the ballpark of 2400.00 per departure.
I didn't think the number would be that high. At my previous employer, we were on an FPD with UAL. It cost UAL just shy of $3000 every time we launched a CRJ somewhere. When the flying was put up for bid, the cheaper airlines out there put in numbers for about the same you stated the Q does it at. The thing being, that was for 50 seat jet equipment burning more gas and having higher labor costs, along with all the other associated things that factor in.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
It will be like ValueJet-----------> Airtran
This has always been a misconception. ValuJet did not change their name to AirTran. They merged with the smaller company AirTran for their name.

So your logic would suggest Colgan would merge with Big Sky, to be called Big Sky.

Kind of how Comair changed their name to....wait....they still are Comair.

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Old 06-13-2009 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
I guarantee you, you wont see Q400's doing any flying in Mexico
Why not? COEX used to run ATR's to places in Mexico.

Just going out on a limb here, but I'd venture to guess the Q has better SE performance than an ATR, as well as a higher SE ceiling. Although, the places the ATR went those were not a factor.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Why not? COEX used to run ATR's to places in Mexico.

Just going out on a limb here, but I'd venture to guess the Q has better SE performance than an ATR, as well as a higher SE ceiling. Although, the places the ATR went those were not a factor.
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Thanks, I didnt know that
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