AB don't go jumping to conclusions. There's no reason for them to accept any concessions. At least the current rates would stay.

As far as seniority list goes this will be a hard process to hash out. Don't get me wrong I feel for both pilot groups but it was their airlines that ended ended up failing. Midex and Frontier would both have vanished a while back had they not acquired additional funding from RAH. These airlines are not being merged they are being bought. There's no reason that I should lose my % place to someone from another failing airline. If that's the case I'd rather them be cut lose and allowed to fail on their own. Just my personal opinions but "fair and equitable" to me is not tripling the amount of time it will be before I upgrade.

I don't know how the integration will go, but that would be acceptable to me as a RAH pilot. I would hope that there would be fences in place to protect all of the above.

There ya go...now we see where Chance's concern really is......

Absolutely. The most fair, to me, would be a TWA style integration in the sense that overall company seniority might be low however you'd retain your seniority in base in your aircraft at your position. The only time this would ever be an issue is if you were to transfer to another base. Completely my opinion and not that of anyone else at my company but it would keep those in Den in their aircraft and bidding wherever it is they bid in base. There are TWA FO's coming off furlough in STL that might be bottom of the list but they bid at the top for lines.

haha Toilet, do you really think the TWA guys made out? Why don;t you go ask them how they feel about a "TWA style integration"

Should my concern be something else? I pay union dues for this reason. I'm not here for charity I'm here to work my way up the rungs. I don't consider it fair if 1000 pilots join our seniority list yet we keep native RAH guys on the street. If we were being purchased I wouldn't expect someone to say "Here take my seniority spot I feel bad for you". I have responsibilities to myself first. Times are tough for us all.

While that would suck tremendously, that would be my owner's prerogative; he doesn't owe me anything other than a paycheck and I don't owe him anything other than my services...especially if that's how my loyalty to him were to be repaid.

If the situation you describe were to arise (it wouldn't, but the threat of the "I'll do it for less" pilot is always present in bizav) then I would be free to take my services elsewhere, who will compensate me at a level I am willing to accept. That portability is a big difference between the business aviation segment and the airline segment of the industry.

But, seeing as how I have financial obligations I'd likely accept the lower-paying position for as long as I needed to have it to pay my mortgage until I could find better employment. In the mean time, I'd try to help the kids learn as much as possible so that they don't kill themselves or the passengers or break the airplane. I'd also take the opportunity to educate them (brainwash, if you will) about the industry and what I/they should be getting compensated, and once I got them on my side (I can be a persuasive bastard) we'd stand together and demand what we all were really worth for our services. Of course we might get fired for it...but if you risk nothing you stand to gain nothing and I'd be in the same position I could have been in when Mr. Big sold the airplane in the first place.

Not much I suppose...but jobs protected are jobs protected and that isn't theory. At least this situation, as crappy as it may be, gives MEH pilots the ability to have something - before they had nothing. They can choose to accept it or not, but that will be their choice...a choice they wouldn't have had after a Chapter 7 liquidation or the 717s being returned to Boeing.

If only we could wind the clock back to 1991, eh?

Oh but its for for a FRONTIER Airbus FO to be junior to one of your 600hr guys on the street? Get real.

Even if you are now upgrading at a career airline?

With as much DEBT that Bedford is putting on Republic....BK is a very real possibility for them. I don't think anyone on here realizes how bad this can be.
They will be crushed when they go to compete against any of the Major airlines....and yes, AirTran too will hand them their winglet.