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Old 06-24-2009 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
Frankly James, I can see the "rev" wrapping the whole DEN/MKE package up with a nice little bow in it and selling it to SW. We have been givin no instight as to how any of this is going to play out from management. Time will tell, everyone needs to calm down stop trowing stones at glass houses and shifting blame and focus. Knee jerk reactions have fools rushing in with opinions.
Southwest Airlines Announces Fares and Flights To/From Milwaukee

Carrier Will Operate 12 Daily Nonstop Flights on Boeing 737 Aircraft to Six Destinations

Beginning November 1, 2009 with Fares as Low as $35 one-way

DALLAS, June 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- We're going to do it our way--the Southwest Way! Beginning November 1, 2009, Southwest Airlines will connect Milwaukee to the nation's largest airline network bringing legendary Customer Service and Low-Fare Value to fee-weary and under-served travelers across Southeast Wisconsin.

The airline will begin service with a dozen daily nonstop flights to six destinations: 3 to Baltimore/Washington, 3 to Kansas City, 2 to Las Vegas, 2 to Orlando, 1 to Phoenix, and 1 to Tampa Bay. Southwest is offering all of these new flights with fares as low as $35 one-way (when purchased by June 26th), recognizing Wisconsin's place as the 35th state to join the Southwest network. After the 26th, enjoy Southwest's low introductory fares from $49 to $99 to all nonstop destinations (see all fare rules below).

The fares and schedule are available for purchase today on Southwest Airlines

"That's $35 to get from Milwaukee to all six of these cities -- It's On!" said Teresa Laraba, Southwest's Vice President of Ground Operations, this morning at a news conference outside the Milwaukee Art Museum. "While other airlines have taken away options and added fees, our new Milwaukee service will stand apart in many ways. Milwaukeeans should know that we're here to serve and we're here to stay! We can't wait to introduce our legendary Customer Service, as well as our low fares and on time flights to new Customers across Wisconsin and Northern Illinois who've been asking for Southwest service for many years."

In addition to the 12 daily nonstop flights, Southwest Airlines' new service out of Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport will offer direct (same plane) or connecting service to 49 other destinations throughout the Southwest Network. Southwest Airlines will operate from two gates in Terminal D at Mitchell, and will have about 40 fulltime Employees.

"Southwest has a loyal following and many cities covet attracting their service," said Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker. "We can't be more pleased they chose Milwaukee."

Milwaukee County Supervisors Lee Holloway and Michael Mayo, Sr., said, "This added service will build off Mitchell Airport's reputation as one of the most effective and efficient airports in the United States."

When shopping for Southwest online, it's important to know that Southwest Airlines' low fares are available only at Southwest Airlines. Not only will Customers find Southwest's great online rates, but the site also hosts Southwest's Travel Guide where Customers can check out travel tips posted by those who frequent Southeastern Wisconsin. For an insider's look into the new Milwaukee Service, a long-time Southwest Employee and native Wisconsinite writes about growing up in Southwest's newest state on Southwest's blog--Nuts About Southwest. To view her post, visit: Blogs | Nuts About Southwest rs.

After 38 years of service, Southwest Airlines, the nation's leading low-fare carrier, continues to stand above other airlines -- offering a reliable product with exemplary Customer Service and the Nation's largest airline network exclusively utilizing Boeing 737 aircraft. Southwest Airlines is the most productive airline in the sky and offers Customers a comfortable traveling experience with all premium leather seats and plenty of legroom. Southwest recently updated its gate areas and improved its boarding procedure to make flying Southwest Airlines even more convenient. Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV), the nation's largest carrier in terms of domestic passengers enplaned, currently serves 65 cities in 33 states. Based in Dallas, Southwest currently operates more than 3,300 flights a day and has more than 35,000 Employees systemwide.

Fare Rules

The sale fares between Milwaukee Mitchell Airport and Baltimore/Washington, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, and Tampa Bay are available on southwest.com or swabiz.com. Customers must purchase from June 23 through June 26, 2009, and before 11:59 pm (PST) for travel November 1 - November 18, 2009. Fares valid on nonstop service only. Other introductory fares from $49 - $99 one-way will be on sale through July 30, 2009, for travel through December 17, 2009, excluding November 24 - November 25 and November 29 - November 30. Travel valid everyday except Fridays and Sundays. Fares do not include federal excise tax of $3.60 per take off and landing. Fares do not include airport-assessed passenger facility charges (PFC) of up to $9.00 and government-imposed September 11th Security Fee of up to $5.00 one-way. Seats are limited. Fares may vary by flight and day of week and won't be available on some flights that operate during very busy travel times and holiday periods. Fares are available for one-way travel. Fares may be combined with other combinable fares. Fares are not combinable with Senior Fares. When combining fares, all rules and restrictions apply. Fares are nonrefundable but may be applied toward the purchase of future travel on Southwest Airlines. Fares are not available through Group Desk. Any change in itinerary may result in an increase in fare. Standby travel requires an upgrade to the Anytime fare. Fares are subject to change until ticketed.

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Old 06-24-2009 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bond
Well let's see, we know we're not going under for another 6 years unless CAL goes under, UA on the other hand.....

It's called a reality check for a reason...
Thats great man. At least 6 more years flying a RJ. Now that is a reality nightmare!
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Old 06-24-2009 | 10:29 AM
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Thats great man. At least 6 more years flying a RJ. Now that is a reality nightmare!
If XJT does go under in 6 years (operating under the assumption that CAL does not renew our contract or that we're unable to land any other flying), most of us at this level would have either moved on, or would just simply make a lateral move. Not the end of the world, UA on the other hand, not only do I think that you don't have much time left, but if it did go under most cannot just go back to the bottom list of regional or a major and start over.

You shouldn't take it so personal, your frustration should be directed at your management and your helpless MEC. Again, reality check, the United we all grew up with is long gone, and all that is left is a dying airline. If some of your guys insist on going to work for an alter-ego such as gojets, that's their choice, but clearly they are only contributing to the raise to the bottom, I suppose letting your management drive UA into the ground wasn't enough.
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Old 06-24-2009 | 10:59 AM
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If XJT does go under in 6 years (operating under the assumption that CAL does not renew our contract or that we're unable to land any other flying), most of us at this level would have either moved on, or would just simply make a lateral move. Not the end of the world, UA on the other hand, not only do I think that you don't have much time left, but if it did go under most cannot just go back to the bottom list of regional or a major and start over.

You shouldn't take it so personal, your frustration should be directed at your management and your helpless MEC. Again, reality check, the United we all grew up with is long gone, and all that is left is a dying airline. If some of your guys insist on going to work for an alter-ego such as gojets, that's their choice, but clearly they are only contributing to the raise to the bottom, I suppose letting your management drive UA into the ground wasn't enough.



Guess you were not around in the 80's when Scabinental was the dredge of the business. Several of those ex Cont. guys are here at UAL. They quit in disgust after CAL was succesfully scabed out. My point? Look at them now. You don't know what the future holds. One good ceo or merger and....viola.

As for GoJets. I don't care if it is GoJet, RAH, or Mesa. The flying is UAL code and therefore if a furloughed UAL dude wants to fly it, that is his contractual right (at 2nd year pay). One could argue that all the UAL regionals are alter ego carriers.
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Old 06-24-2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
One good ceo or merger and....viola.
I think you should set a more realistic goal for your company and yourself at this point. Like USAirways pre-merger, the only thing that will save United is a healthy company buying it out, don't fool yourself into thinking UA has anything other than massive debt and loses, an aging fleet, and an aging workforce to bring to the table. The only saving grace for UA right now would be a buy out. A new CEO would be like trying to patch a massive leak with a band-aid, UA is already past that point.

Oh and before you even go there, International slots and heavy iron can also be purchased at "garage sales".

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As for GoJets. I don't care if it is GoJet, RAH, or Mesa. The flying is UAL code and therefore if a furloughed UAL dude wants to fly it, that is his contractual right (at 2nd year pay). One could argue that all the UAL regionals are alter ego carriers.
Clearly you're unfamiliar with the way gojets was created and continues to operate, I do recommend you do some research, it might be eye opening.
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Old 06-24-2009 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
There not our pilots. They are not trained on our aircraft, from what I can tell they don't want to be anyhow. How is this proof the republic added 300 pilots to its furlough list. We aren't buying airplanes why should we be buying pilots?
Because our contract said you just bought us. Please god, staple these idiots.
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Old 06-24-2009 | 12:01 PM
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I think you should set a more realistic goal for your company and yourself at this point. Like USAirways pre-merger, the only thing that will save United is a healthy company buying it out, don't fool yourself into thinking UA has anything other than massive debt and loses, an aging fleet, and an aging workforce to bring to the table. The only saving grace for UA right now would be a buy out. A new CEO would be like trying to patch a massive leak with a band-aid, UA is already past that point.

Oh and before you even go there, International slots and heavy iron can also be purchased at "garage sales".

Just ignore the whole CAL example, eh? The difference between US Air and UAL is about 100 widebodies. I don't have a "goal" for my company but here is a thought. As the weeks turn into months and the months into years....you will still be flying that pos jungle jet for pos wages. That is reality my friend.

Clearly you're unfamiliar with the way gojets was created and continues to operate, I do recommend you do some research, it might be eye opening.

Clearly, you're unfamiliar with the industry as a whole or at least still a little green. I am very familiar with the Waterski/GoJet fiasco. It has been done many times in the past. Go look up New York Air. I could give a sheet. They are flying UAL code, period, dot. UAL furloughees have a right to that flying by contract.

The difference between US Air and UAL is about 100+ widebodies. I don't have a "goal" for my company, but here is some reality for you....as the weeks turn into months, and the months to years....you are still flying that pos jungle jet for pos wages. You can relish the supposed demise of UAL all you wish (btw, you guys are flying a little code for us, too..thanks for picking up our slack) but look at your own circumstances. I would not trade with you.
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Because our contract said you just bought us. Please god, staple these idiots.
Yeah. We bought Midwest and we're just going to staple ourselves. Most of the things you write are just insane.
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Old 06-24-2009 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
Clearly, you're unfamiliar with the industry as a whole or at least still a little green. I am very familiar with the Waterski/GoJet fiasco. It has been done many times in the past. Go look up New York Air. I could give a sheet. They are flying UAL code, period, dot. UAL furloughees have a right to that flying by contract.

The difference between US Air and UAL is about 100+ widebodies. I don't have a "goal" for my company, but here is some reality for you....as the weeks turn into months, and the months to years....you are still flying that pos jungle jet for pos wages. You can relish the supposed demise of UAL all you wish (btw, you guys are flying a little code for us, too..thanks for picking up our slack) but look at your own circumstances. I would not trade with you.
Again you're projecting your anger and frustration in the wrong direction. If you think widebodies will save UA, then maybe I can point out another airline named Pam Am, you may remember them. As I mentioned earlier widebodies and international slots can easily be acquired at garage sales. Sorry that the reality of your company upsets you, would you rather me lie to you and tell you what a great shape you guys are in.

Oh and by the way, what's the answer to the question? What do you guys bring to the table besides massive debt, massive losses, an aging fleet, and an aging workforce? It's an honest question, and the answer will determine the potential outcomes. The smart thing to do for anyone looking at acquiring UA is to let Tilton run it into the ground with the help of your MEC, and just cherry pick the pieces at the garage sale. Sorry brother, I wish UA was still the giant, awesome airline it was in the 80's and 90's, but it's not, and it's not coming back without a buyout.

Thank you for being concerned for my career, but the jungle is just fine while we all weather the storm, after the 65 fossils start calling it a day in a few years, finding a job won't be a problem for most of us at the regional level. For most of us it will be an improvement as we're just getting started (by comparason) in our careers, what would starting over be for you? Best of luck, your attitude clearly shows why Tilton still running the show, and why UA once a world class airline is now facing the end of the line.

100 widebodies LOL that's funny man, go read about Pan Am, but I must warn you it will probably depress the hell out of you.....
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Old 06-24-2009 | 12:29 PM
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Yeah. We bought Midwest and we're just going to staple ourselves. Most of the things you write are just insane.
I realize you're happy to be flying routes that people earned 3X as much as you will make on, but you've got Republic Flu. I get it, you're infected. It's cool, that 190 is such a neat-o machine. I mean we can goto LAX from MKE, whopee!
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