First Frontier, now Midwest. What's the deal?
06-24-2009 | 05:42 AM
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To put their total size in perspective, after they buy Frontier, then Midwest, and maybe Alaska, or Spirit, they would be huge. Probably about the size of CAL. The only thing they would be missing would be 767 and 777 and they could be a true global airline.
I am not shocked. But I wished that they would go out on their own. That way they can fail and go into bankruptcy like all the other airlines. Then they can stop outbidding all the other regional airlines to forward the race to the bottom. I wished that they would buy Sky West too. Stink would be completed.
I am not shocked. But I wished that they would go out on their own. That way they can fail and go into bankruptcy like all the other airlines. Then they can stop outbidding all the other regional airlines to forward the race to the bottom. I wished that they would buy Sky West too. Stink would be completed.
06-24-2009 | 07:58 AM
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The picture has come already. RAH has been investing in Frontier and Midwest for some time now, and has been setting up this scenario. Perhaps RAH will completely buy out Mokulele, but that is hardly worth noting. While RAH has given money to US Airways, there has never been an intention to run that sinking ship. Bedford has not sowed any seeds beyond Midwest and Frontier. There are no more big purchases coming for a while, save for more 190's to replace the Midwest 717's that Boeing is taking back. Everyone else can breath a sigh of relief and then return to uninformed rants. Thank you.
06-24-2009 | 08:14 AM
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While I think you're joking, it makes sense.
Regional market penetration (DEN, MKE, FLL)
Similar aircraft (A320s at F9 and Spirit)
All relatively weak financially - cheap for the price.
While not JetBlue or Alaska - it would make a nation wide low cost (low wage) carrier with coast to coast coverage and potential regional feed through Republic.
Can they take on SWA?
Well SWA has lost several quarters in a row, asked for retirements, and has yet to sign a pilot contract.
Or - they could just chop up the pieces and sell off the assets like Larry the Liquidator (aka: Other People's Money).
What do I know, I'm just a pilot.
Regional market penetration (DEN, MKE, FLL)
Similar aircraft (A320s at F9 and Spirit)
All relatively weak financially - cheap for the price.
While not JetBlue or Alaska - it would make a nation wide low cost (low wage) carrier with coast to coast coverage and potential regional feed through Republic.
Can they take on SWA?
Well SWA has lost several quarters in a row, asked for retirements, and has yet to sign a pilot contract.
Or - they could just chop up the pieces and sell off the assets like Larry the Liquidator (aka: Other People's Money).
What do I know, I'm just a pilot.
06-24-2009 | 08:34 AM
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At what point do RAH's major partners get tired of BB biting the hand that feeds him? He is now in direct competition with the airlines who put the very money used to buy Frontier and Midwest in his pocket. When do they say enough and pull the plug? Why would they finance the competition?
Does anyone think this is his grand scheme? Break away from the regional model and use all of his glorious E-jets and start his own "major" airline using his 145s as feeders? All the while paying his pilots crap wages? I think and I hope the majors will have a field day if he tries! Was Independence Air not lesson enough for him?
Does anyone think this is his grand scheme? Break away from the regional model and use all of his glorious E-jets and start his own "major" airline using his 145s as feeders? All the while paying his pilots crap wages? I think and I hope the majors will have a field day if he tries! Was Independence Air not lesson enough for him?
06-24-2009 | 09:17 AM
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At what point do RAH's major partners get tired of BB biting the hand that feeds him? He is now in direct competition with the airlines who put the very money used to buy Frontier and Midwest in his pocket. When do they say enough and pull the plug? Why would they finance the competition?
Does anyone think this is his grand scheme? Break away from the regional model and use all of his glorious E-jets and start his own "major" airline using his 145s as feeders? All the while paying his pilots crap wages? I think and I hope the majors will have a field day if he tries! Was Independence Air not lesson enough for him?
Does anyone think this is his grand scheme? Break away from the regional model and use all of his glorious E-jets and start his own "major" airline using his 145s as feeders? All the while paying his pilots crap wages? I think and I hope the majors will have a field day if he tries! Was Independence Air not lesson enough for him?
He/we are not in competition with anyone, you are jumping the gun and assuming things you know nothing about. We don't own anything yet.
I was looking for the post I made 2 or 3 years ago that said all domestic flying will be done by two or three regioanal carriers and International stuff will be left to the remaining Legacys. Not that I have crystal ball but seriously you guys didn't see this coming with all the money RAH was pumping into these two companies? Blind people 2 counties away saw this coming.
06-24-2009 | 11:13 AM
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I can't see RAH operating as a stand-alone carrier. Maybe BB plans on operating Frontier's A320s on behalf of one of their partners?
Wasn't a large share of Midwest owned by Northwest/Delta? Perhaps this is a way to get the EMB190 into Delta's door.
Wasn't a large share of Midwest owned by Northwest/Delta? Perhaps this is a way to get the EMB190 into Delta's door.
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