Don't listen to this guy. I hope a lot of good comes out of this. All of us over here at Mesaba are supporting you guys and wishing you the best!

 

Tell us all the details so we can tell you how to vote...

Kidding, kidding.

This TA may be far below what the Pinnacle pilots were expecting. That is ok. Remember, the MEC may have deliberately put junk up for a vote. They are obligated to bargain in good faith, and the NMB seemed to think that it was possible to reach a TA. Your MEC may be hoping you vote this TA down. That way, in the eyes of the NMB, the Union has negotiated in good faith and sent a TA for vote. IF the pilot group flatly refuses to accept the terms of the TA, then it sends an extremely strong signal to the NMB that the pilots will not agree to company demands, and that the MEC has been acting as true representatives of the pilots, not as a group of combative, unrealistic union thugs. THIS will show the NMB that indeed no agreement can be reached without serious concessions from the company, and that SELF HELP may be an inescapable outcome. It is hard to get to SELF HELP without the MEC demonstrating that they are willing to compromise. This TA may be that good faith gesture the MEc needs to see.

If it is a turd, vote it down. SELF HELP is possible.

If it is truly a deserved contract, then by all means go for it.

 

Good luck guys.

 

I'm just happy we have a TA. That being said, if it even reaches the pilot group, I will read it in full multiple times and make the best decision I can. I'm not in either the "vote no, no matter what" or the "vote yes, no matter what" groups. I'd like to think both of those groups are relatively small, not to mention selfish, and/or under-informed.

 

It may also reset the clock as the NMB needs to see that progress is still being made. If a TA goes through, it shows that both sides made progress. That doesn't help the self help option. If the company negotiators said this is our best and final offer and that's rejected, then it shows there's little hope for future progress and the self help option becomes closer to reality.

 

Wow, the first ray of hope i have seen here in 4 years. Should be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

5 years and a signing bonus is what you are expecting???

How about demanding full retro pay from the amendable date?

 

Ok seriously people, let us get excited for a day. If we wanted to be bankrupt in 2 weeks we would ask for a full retro pay. You have to realize who we are dealing with here. We are not going to get everything that we want but we are going to make major gains and that in turn is going to help out everyone in their contract negotiations. I have heard that our scope is rock solid and that makes me happier than anything if true.

 

To me, "rock solid" scope would mean that those Q-400's that were paid for with my hard work when I was there (and now yours) would come back to the PCL pilots.

My JMs, extensions, poor pay, and deliberate payroll "errors" and DW's interpretations made the money that bought them. You should fly them.

That's "rock solid" scope.

 

Remember, this negot. committee is the second one. The first was replaced after many sections were TA'd already...