AA vs. Eagle vs. Chautauqua
09-28-2009, 04:34 AM
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I would hope CHQ/RAH pilots would not take exception to Eagle vigorously defending their contract. As posted previously, it's not about the CHQ pilots, it's about AMR breaching terms of the contract, and management doing pretty much whatever they want. Again.
09-28-2009, 05:40 AM
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Rich,
Thank you for your thoughts.
I will contact my base reps to see where they think we stand. That only goes so far however.
I would hope the Eagle reps would also consider picking up the phone. As of a few days ago, the APA scope committee changed personnel. Many would consider the change in philosophy and personality "significant." There are (reasonable) people on the committee that I believe would be open to starting up a dialogue again.
Thank you for your thoughts.
I will contact my base reps to see where they think we stand. That only goes so far however.
I would hope the Eagle reps would also consider picking up the phone. As of a few days ago, the APA scope committee changed personnel. Many would consider the change in philosophy and personality "significant." There are (reasonable) people on the committee that I believe would be open to starting up a dialogue again.
09-28-2009, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Is there anything to support this statement? Can it be proven AMR makes money off eagle but doesn't off CHQ? Can it be proven that Eagle's operating cost is less than that of CHQ's?
Duck, Who cares!
CHQ was hired to fly for TWA in St Louis now you are are moving to a Eagle base. If the CHQ pilots are being used to undermine flying at Eagle your EXCO needs to work with Eagles MEC to solve the problem.
Don't let BB use Republic to undermine other pilots
Support your profession.
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09-28-2009, 06:12 AM
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goaround,
Unfortunately in 13 years it still takes 50 minutes to fly from MSN to ORD and it still takes at least 40 minutes to turn a plane in ORD.. that's my point. We can always cram in an extra flight at 730PM and return it to ORD, but that's not Eagle's decision but AMR's (since they control the scheduling).
I highly doubt that Eagle has 10 ERJs that sit in ORD for 2 to 3 hours at a time where they could do a turn to DBQ, AZO, or SPI.
So what I see happening is Eagle ALPA getting their way with regards to CHQ, which will result in CHQ laying off pilots (loss #1) (unless they move them to YX, which could happen, but probably not likely, there's only so many markets out of MKE that work)... AMR will then trim the overall schedule @ ORD to show the loss of 11 lines, where the consumer loses (#2), and cities like SPI, AZO, EVV, CMI, MLI, GRR, DBQ, LSE may see lost flights or be cut entirely (#3).
Eagle's block times don't change, they still get 22 more jets, but hey, Eagle ALPA showed AMR who is boss (again). Glad someone got something out of this move.
(for the record, I'd totally side w/ Eagle if their overall Block Hours were being cut, but from the looks of it, its an asset move to increase utilization & flying at other hubs).
Unfortunately in 13 years it still takes 50 minutes to fly from MSN to ORD and it still takes at least 40 minutes to turn a plane in ORD.. that's my point. We can always cram in an extra flight at 730PM and return it to ORD, but that's not Eagle's decision but AMR's (since they control the scheduling).
I highly doubt that Eagle has 10 ERJs that sit in ORD for 2 to 3 hours at a time where they could do a turn to DBQ, AZO, or SPI.
So what I see happening is Eagle ALPA getting their way with regards to CHQ, which will result in CHQ laying off pilots (loss #1) (unless they move them to YX, which could happen, but probably not likely, there's only so many markets out of MKE that work)... AMR will then trim the overall schedule @ ORD to show the loss of 11 lines, where the consumer loses (#2), and cities like SPI, AZO, EVV, CMI, MLI, GRR, DBQ, LSE may see lost flights or be cut entirely (#3).
Eagle's block times don't change, they still get 22 more jets, but hey, Eagle ALPA showed AMR who is boss (again). Glad someone got something out of this move.
(for the record, I'd totally side w/ Eagle if their overall Block Hours were being cut, but from the looks of it, its an asset move to increase utilization & flying at other hubs).
09-28-2009, 06:15 AM
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I'd also like to point out that Trans States tried feverishly to get a pro-rate agreement and offer flights from Miami to points that Eagle previously operated (TLH, GNV, DAB, PNS, TCB, etc) yet Eagle ALPA shot them down left & right. Eagle ALPA also prevented Regions Air from moving Saabs from CLE to STL and open STL-MCI, STL-CVG, and STL-OMA (when no one else was doing them)... routes that could have done well had the company survived the FAA gestapo search-and-destroy tactics with the manuals.
09-28-2009, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
I have been told from guys that directly negotiated with Eagle on the prospect of a combined seniority list that Eagle wanted DOH.
On a side note, Rich hope you and the family are well. Been a while since the Pink Palace.
09-28-2009, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bgmann
I think Eagle pilots aspire to being a mainline pilot and the last thing we want is to see our big brother shrinking.
09-28-2009, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bgmann
I posted this because I would like to know if AA pilots would rather see their little brother getting the business or if they hate their little brother so much they would like to pound his face into the ground and play with his friend next door?
Not starting anything. Just genuinely curious if AA supports Eagle.
Does it make sense AA pilots for another airline to do our flying? We make money for AMR. Not saying AA doesnt!... But factually, Eagle does make money for AMR. Republic (Chautauqua) wont make money for AMR.
And for "Eagle taking AA flying" I think it is naive of an Eagle pilot to celebrate to AA getting reduced. I think Eagle pilots aspire to being a mainline pilot and the last thing we want is to see our big brother shrinking. We want AA around big and strong so when we get older we can be the big brother we idol'd when we were young! If AA could stuff a 737 or MD80 full from ORD to Fargo, than yes you should have the trip. But ya cant and it wont happen. But we should be able to stuff a CRJ-700 and make money.
I dont like seeing Legacies shrink. But I think AA pilots should support Eagle getting the Chautauqua flying.
Not starting anything. Just genuinely curious if AA supports Eagle.
Does it make sense AA pilots for another airline to do our flying? We make money for AMR. Not saying AA doesnt!... But factually, Eagle does make money for AMR. Republic (Chautauqua) wont make money for AMR.
And for "Eagle taking AA flying" I think it is naive of an Eagle pilot to celebrate to AA getting reduced. I think Eagle pilots aspire to being a mainline pilot and the last thing we want is to see our big brother shrinking. We want AA around big and strong so when we get older we can be the big brother we idol'd when we were young! If AA could stuff a 737 or MD80 full from ORD to Fargo, than yes you should have the trip. But ya cant and it wont happen. But we should be able to stuff a CRJ-700 and make money.
I dont like seeing Legacies shrink. But I think AA pilots should support Eagle getting the Chautauqua flying.
Are you kidding?
Absolutely !! No way in hell AA PILOTS will ever care how much flying AE looses to CHQ or vice-versa. They just dont want to give any more flying away anymore, Specially having furlough pilots since 2001.
ASK AN AA PILOT. If he has time, he/she might tell you what they think.
Cheers.
09-28-2009, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by travelnate
So what I see happening is Eagle ALPA getting their way with regards to CHQ, which will result in CHQ laying off pilots (loss #1) (unless they move them to YX, which could happen, but probably not likely, there's only so many markets out of MKE that work)... AMR will then trim the overall schedule @ ORD to show the loss of 11 lines, where the consumer loses (#2), and cities like SPI, AZO, EVV, CMI, MLI, GRR, DBQ, LSE may see lost flights or be cut entirely (#3).
Eagle's block times don't change, they still get 22 more jets, but hey, Eagle ALPA showed AMR who is boss (again). Glad someone got something out of this move.
Eagle's block times don't change, they still get 22 more jets, but hey, Eagle ALPA showed AMR who is boss (again). Glad someone got something out of this move.
Originally Posted by RJET 10-K
American may terminate the code-share agreement without cause upon 180 days notice, provided that such notice may not be given prior to September 30, 2011. If American terminates the code-share agreement without cause, we have the right to put the leases of the aircraft, or to sell the aircraft to American to the extent owned by us, used under the code-share agreement to American. American also has a call option to require us to assign to American these leases. If we exercise our put or American exercises its call right, both parties are obligated to implement a schedule to terminate the code-share agreement in an orderly fashion and transition the aircraft from us to American.
09-28-2009, 08:58 AM
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"If American terminates the agreement without cause" What is CAUSE in this case? Is it Cause enogh that the routes they were contracted to perform out of STL are no longer viable business? Or is this CAUSE performance based?
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