Not sure what you are getting at. As a 3rd yr FO I have not had a month under 85 hours yet. Yes the guarantee is 75. I'd have to call flame bait on the post though. It looks like you are just trying to start something, again.

PS: the BS BB Tag line is a joke, its not as if he's called any of us or cares about our opinions. He pukes in our food every chance he gets. Most of us would leave if we could but the greener grass is usually created by chunkier better puke.

 

No one here wants to see a staple job of any kind. Which is the only way I see someone getting thrown to the bottom and ever seeing first year fo pay.

4 year captains are making 75K+ and if we can get them any sort of longevity it should be better then that. The other thing to consider is that the sooner we get this integration wrapped up the sooner we can put the resources back into getting this contract inked. We will see substantial pay increases along with quality of life issues. Thankfully a contract was not negotiated prior to all of this going down, we were approaching things as if we were a simple regional airline, not this Hybrid we have become.

Keep in mind it is not only our Exco that needs to move quickly toward a SLI, all FOUR parties need to move forward or nothing will happen.

Word is that the recent integration meeting which gave our people a chance to talk with all the other groups leaders went well. It seems the company has come to grips with the fact that all parties will be brought together as one which was not the original plan. It also gave them a chance to find out exactly what the company was telling these other groups, as usual there were inconsistencies.

It's a process. One that won't move fast enough for many but fighting all the way through it will not help it go any quicker.

 

Not FB at all in fact! I am beyond most of the angst and now I would love nothing more than to puke right in your CEO's pocketbook.

As I see it we have zero leverage with the current system and it is being used over and over to mgmt's advantage.

If there is a legal way to level the playing field then thats what we need to focus on. The tough part is that it involves sacrifice, fortitude, and cooperation. Things not always found in spades amongst our brethren.

Maybe we are reaching our breaking point, one can only hope.
Your company's leadership is driving the airline pilot profession bus straight into the toilet. Its affecting you all especially at the bottom end and I sense that even the legacy folks look at whats happening here and see the HUGE potential pitfalls like the further erosion of scope to 100 seats. It affects everyone.

I was trying to get a sense of what it costs to pay the bottom 1/2 of your list.

Is it worth some sacrifice money wise for a large number of us to:
1) restore at least a living wage to regional pilots in the USA?
2)Protect the jobs at the legacies from predators like BB and even their own mgmt?

Speaking for myself a resounding YES:
I will admit that I am passionate about the issue, but I will also say that I am pretty certain that I will not stand to gain personally from any favorable outcome in the smaller issue of the integration of these pilot groups. That is by choice.

So what would it take to "take it back"

A very large number of airline pilots to pledge and maybe donate up to 1% of their monthly income to pay pilots who have resigned their FO positions at company X. I would suggest a pledge, and if necessary an assessment lasting for a year just to provide an ample safety net if progress is not achieved.

The tough part will be convincing 1/2 or some large percentage of pilots to write that letter and be prepared to turn it in to regain the leverage that has been lost and force mgmt. to do something drastic in our favor.

I have left out thoughts/strategies that would come into play but most of you are smart enough to figure out what some of the likely outcomes are. Is it legal? Maybe not.

I have paid a lot of dues in my life and I do not have a problem doing so provided my union provides me some basic protections. Unfortunately our system of an association of separate locals has not worked well for us and its time we ALL step up to the plate.
We are only as good as our weakest link and I do not mean that to disparage anyone.

I am tired of hearing we have no power, leverage, unity. I am ready to do something and if its legal I will gladly promise and if necessary make the financial sacrifice to help regain some of what has been lost.

I realize that the likelihood of something like this actually happening is probably nil but we are going to have to start looking for ways to get around the constructs currently in place to level the field.

One thing for sure we all stand to gain if we can do this or something like it. Have we reached the point yet where we have the strength to take on something like this. I guess we all have to answer that one.

I wish I were partaking in consuming some fermented malt beverages on a sat. night but honestly I am not.

 

I agree YX. We need one union for every airline pilot. Not a bunch of rag tag locals running around under one national that is more worried about their well being than the pilots they represent.

 

One union is basically what it use to be like. Look around here and see how much people keep complaining that there are conflicts within ALPA because they represent both sides of the table.

Sounds more like you want a national seniority list YX. A little late in the game for that this go around.

 

You're bragging about working 85 hours/mo?

 

Not necessary, your part is a resignation letter typed and signed.

 

Alittle over the top... you think?. Can't believe you are a Midwest pilot.

A national seniority list will never happen. But something is needed in this industry to let a pilots experience have some value like the 1500 hr minimum to be a first officer.

Here is FAA law that would work like a National Seniority list. Pilots would still keep their company seniority number and bidding rights.

Example:

1500 min flight time for First Officer
5000 min flight time for a Class C license (eg. over 70,000 lbs max) for the Captain only
10000 min flight time for a Class B license (eg. over 140,000 lbs max) for the Captain only
15000 min flight time for Class A license (eg. over 200,000 lbs) for the Captain only



Just throwing it out as an idea.

 

yes its over the top, thats the whole point.

you are correct, no longer a midwest pilot, just as you are no longer.

I am prepared to write the check though.

what are you going to do?

 

Yea I'll get right on that.