Midwest guys would happily fly the E190 (or the E170), but the Republic EXCO is locking-out our pilot group by delaying integration.

Republic EXCO says we need to wait to integrate Midwest/Republic/Frontier pilots all at once. The problem is he didn't ask for a LOA to help Midwest pilots, because that would have put it in BB hands and they want all the flying.

The Republic EXCO is locking-out Midwest pilots

 

Why should the EXCO help you out when I believe Republic still has pilots on the street which is the EXCO's responsibility before other groups? When you are one big disgruntled family it will be different. May I suggest in the future: Dave Ramsey Homepage - daveramsey.com Get your house in order for the lean times during the good times, less stress and anger for things you can control.

 

Because active Midwest pilots have legal rights to this flying.

You can delay things, but in the end it will only divided the final pilot group and help BB. Midwest pilots will have to be given there jobs in the end.

The best Republic will get is relative position integration and furloughed Republic pilots are not going to be raised up the seniority list.

 

I am totally biased, but I still can't identify what legal right YX has to the flying.

The YX/RAH transaction is similiar to the ATA/SWA transaction, in my opinion. One could even argue that ATA was in a stronger financial position than YX before ATA ceased operations.

The big difference between the two is that SWA didn't change their name to ATA after they acquired the ATA assets. Everyone one of ATA's pilots was on the street.

RAH purcashed the YX certificate, entitling themselves to further exploit the YX/F9/RAH/etc codeshare. At least in this case some of the YX pilot group will be integrated in some manner yet to be determined.

I am very sorry to see what has happened to Midwest, and find myself looking over my shoulder from time to time thinking that my job may be next. If the RAH EXCO did anything that benefited the YX guys at the expense of the furloughed IBT guys they would be slapped with a DFR lawsuit in a hearbeat similiar to the way the Westies sued USAPA for DFR.

The IBT is going to represent the IBT.
FAPA is going to represent FAPA.
And ALPA is going to represent ALPA.
I think it is a ridiculous process and our "profession" is a pathetic joke when it comes to solidarity and trade unionism, but it is what it is.

I put money on the fact that the IBT is gone by this time next year. Hopefully we get an effective, adaptive, and productive independent organization like FAPA but that too remains to be seen.

Is there any legal precedent or example in the history of aviation where a pilot group with no airframes has been acquired and then fenced off their previous routes using the airframes of the acquiring entity?

I agree that the remaining active YX pilots on the date of acquisition have rights, but I just don't see how the flying in and out of MKE is anyone's but RAH's.

 

I think SWA bought the assets of ATA. Republic legally merged Midwest and Republic.

TPG is holding stock and a board position at Republic.

 

It's not completely the idea of "whose" flying it is. It is more the idea of where did the flying come from. 14 months ago Midwest was flying 37 B-717s/MD-80s.Much of that flying was transferred to another operator in some sort of back door arrangement.The then majority owner of Midwest(TPG) still sits on the RAH board.It has all the appearance of being a way to rewind the clock on pilot longevity pay.I don't think RAH management cares who flys the aircraft. They just want it done as cheaply as possible, which means with their contract and with the most junior longevity pilots they can get.
The Midwest pilot group lost the battle on pay and work rules with the sale. So it goes. Now the hope is that some will get to at least keep flying with some sort of integration proceedure.Morally,to my way of thinking, it is only logical that any flying hours gained from the purchase of Midwest should only be operated by the Midwest pilot group. (this is not to say Milwaukee /Midwest flying, but rather an equivalent number of hours that Bedford added to his flying by his purchase of Midwest and their decision to purge the Douglas fleet)
Some thoughts as to Southwest/ATA. Just cause they did it doesn't make it right. Southwest did an even worse screwing to the Muse boys back in 87. Don't you think at some point all of this has to stop? The Teamsters have a golden opportunity here to make every carrier want to be a part of them. Imagine...a Teamster national senority list as part of every Teamster contract. A Teamster merger policy carved in stone..not marshmellow. A real chance to undo the damage that any merger does future cockpit harmony with a national policy that everyone knows beforehand. Imagine...maybe you will join us?

 

I agree with pretty much every letter of that post, except for the backroom deal theme. Unfortunately, the Teamsters are not the party to carry the torch you speak of. They view aviation as a revenue center for the rest of the teamster enterprise. When you think about ANY positive change in our industry over the last century (work rules, rest regs, jumpseat, accident investigation, FOQA, ASAP, etc) the Teamsters have been totally vacant.

With that being said, maybe it is time for an original integration mechanism.

 

Frontier guys seem to feel different.

 

So if our rates for those planes suck (they do), and you could have flown these planes as your own for slightly better rates...the question I have is...why the hell didn't you?

Then this whole mess could have been avoided. Sure, you'd be making less money than you are now....but it's a hell of a lot more than you'd be making here or on furlough.

 

Ever hear of the policy of not negotiating with terrorist?

It's not a hell of a lot more money than on furlough. It was exactly RAH rates not slightly higher.