Worth the Hardwork or not?
06-26-2006, 07:29 AM
#61
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Posts: 135
CWU.....
Sounds like you just want people to pump your arse full of sunshine about going to a regional. Why even bother posting this thread. Just talk to yourself in the mirror and tell yourself how great it will be and that you are going to be the finest aviator since Maverick and Goose tore up the sky together.
Seriously though, listen to some of these guys. They are not trying to discourage you from getting into the biz, but trying to help you "grow up" and plan ahead in the event that the worst case scenario occurs during your career.
I hate to say it, but you do sound like one of those arrogant newbies that think they have it all figured out and seem like you might carry that attitude into the cockpit. You will quickly learn that kind of attitude does not make for a happy cockpit and only reduces the quality of CRM. You will see, just stay the way you are.
However, I will give you what I believe you want to hear. Here goes:
Flying for a regional is the most fun you will ever have. Yeah you won't get paid much and more than likely have a bad QOL, but it is so fun and that’s all that matters. Flying to the same places like Toledo, Mobile, Grennville-Spartanburg, and places like that will make all the chics think that you are so well traveled. They will be falling all over you. It's so glamorous to stay in places like Lexington for an 8 hour overnight. You'll get to walk around terminals in that cool uniform with everyone’s eyes glued on you because you are a REGIONAL pilot. Oh and the best part is when you walk into the aircraft you are flying and about to get into the cockpit, the fat lady walking in front of you who is going to her seat turns to you and makes the comment that she hopes the flight crew hasn’t been drinking. That really makes you feel good. Oh yeah, I also love it when you here passengers commenting during the boarding process about how inexperienced the flight crew must be because after all we are flying a "puddle jumper" (which really is a 50 seat RJ) and we are only commuter pilots. That one always made me feel proud to be a regional pilot. There are so many positive things I could say about the regionals that it would take up all the space on the web server so I better stop. Also, it’s so easy to get to the majors after you’ve only had to fly at the regional level for two or three years. It’s the surest and quickest way to the majors.
Like someone else plainly said: it is worth the hard work. Don't wimp out.
Sounds like you just want people to pump your arse full of sunshine about going to a regional. Why even bother posting this thread. Just talk to yourself in the mirror and tell yourself how great it will be and that you are going to be the finest aviator since Maverick and Goose tore up the sky together.
Seriously though, listen to some of these guys. They are not trying to discourage you from getting into the biz, but trying to help you "grow up" and plan ahead in the event that the worst case scenario occurs during your career.
I hate to say it, but you do sound like one of those arrogant newbies that think they have it all figured out and seem like you might carry that attitude into the cockpit. You will quickly learn that kind of attitude does not make for a happy cockpit and only reduces the quality of CRM. You will see, just stay the way you are.
However, I will give you what I believe you want to hear. Here goes:
Flying for a regional is the most fun you will ever have. Yeah you won't get paid much and more than likely have a bad QOL, but it is so fun and that’s all that matters. Flying to the same places like Toledo, Mobile, Grennville-Spartanburg, and places like that will make all the chics think that you are so well traveled. They will be falling all over you. It's so glamorous to stay in places like Lexington for an 8 hour overnight. You'll get to walk around terminals in that cool uniform with everyone’s eyes glued on you because you are a REGIONAL pilot. Oh and the best part is when you walk into the aircraft you are flying and about to get into the cockpit, the fat lady walking in front of you who is going to her seat turns to you and makes the comment that she hopes the flight crew hasn’t been drinking. That really makes you feel good. Oh yeah, I also love it when you here passengers commenting during the boarding process about how inexperienced the flight crew must be because after all we are flying a "puddle jumper" (which really is a 50 seat RJ) and we are only commuter pilots. That one always made me feel proud to be a regional pilot. There are so many positive things I could say about the regionals that it would take up all the space on the web server so I better stop. Also, it’s so easy to get to the majors after you’ve only had to fly at the regional level for two or three years. It’s the surest and quickest way to the majors.
Like someone else plainly said: it is worth the hard work. Don't wimp out.
06-26-2006, 07:37 AM
#63
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Posts: 1,425
Originally Posted by C175
Dude, are you like the spokesman for political correctness. Shut up and go fly your 206. you must be a democrat
06-26-2006, 09:44 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by C175
Dude, are you like the spokesman for political correctness. Shut up and go fly your 206. you must be a democrat
If you are going to pick on someone you need to be on the ball-
Originally Posted by C175
Dude
Originally Posted by C175
Shut up and go fly your 206
Just a few generic observations in regards to your post, if you are going to pick a fight with another, know your target.
Last edited by usmc-sgt; 06-26-2006 at 09:47 AM.
06-26-2006, 10:50 AM
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I spent over $10k on IT certifications and $15k on college. What did I get from it? Barely an Interview. I devoted 7 years of my life to an IT company, when the average stay is 2. What did I get from it? Nothing. I got treated like crap and I had to find a new job (two months without pay). I bought and sold real estate. What did I get from it? I lost $17k and made $19k (my personal house). I let a friend, down on his luck, stay with me and even lent him money. What did I get from it? Out $1k and he doesn't talk to me anymore.
No one should think that life is a cake walk. There is NO loyalty in the world economy. No free lunch. Everyone is looking for an angle. But that's not just in the aviation industry. It's everywhere! For those of you that got hurt in the industry, you aren't alone and you aren't unique. You will probobly have just as much or more hardship in your current capacity but there is a difference between you and the guys working in the majors. They stuck it out. They might have been furloughed, divorced, dying on a Ramen noodle diet, exhausted, and happy. Not saying that getting out wasn't the right move. It might have been.
I not only have one fallback plan, I have three: IT, stocks, and real estate. This is what you should be teaching the new guys. Advise how to live below your means, manage money/debt, backup strategies, and pro/cons of industry. Not beating them over the head with the "falling sky". Because the sky is always falling in some form or fashion. Many of these people are wanting fulfill their dream. By beating them over the head they are more like to cling to their dream irratically then to walk away from it rationally.
No one should think that life is a cake walk. There is NO loyalty in the world economy. No free lunch. Everyone is looking for an angle. But that's not just in the aviation industry. It's everywhere! For those of you that got hurt in the industry, you aren't alone and you aren't unique. You will probobly have just as much or more hardship in your current capacity but there is a difference between you and the guys working in the majors. They stuck it out. They might have been furloughed, divorced, dying on a Ramen noodle diet, exhausted, and happy. Not saying that getting out wasn't the right move. It might have been.
I not only have one fallback plan, I have three: IT, stocks, and real estate. This is what you should be teaching the new guys. Advise how to live below your means, manage money/debt, backup strategies, and pro/cons of industry. Not beating them over the head with the "falling sky". Because the sky is always falling in some form or fashion. Many of these people are wanting fulfill their dream. By beating them over the head they are more like to cling to their dream irratically then to walk away from it rationally.
06-26-2006, 11:38 AM
#67
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i dont think getting an aviation degree and minoring in something else is limiting me thats just my opinion.
Oh, and another thing...and I am not joking. In the future, don't mention having "time" on microsoft flight simulator. People will make fun of you.
06-26-2006, 12:01 PM
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directbears i'll keep that advice in mind just as I've done with all these posts. flex your response is valuable and I apologize for using FS in my first post I used it more to show how it "sparked" my curiousity into flying not necessarily saying how it makes me more experienced but I will take your advice and stay away from telling employers that. appreciate all the responses...
06-26-2006, 04:00 PM
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C175,
I suppose reading is on your long list of deficiencies as is your obvious dislike of women.
Polital correctness? You chastise people for being kind and decent.
I really feel sorry for you...
And no ,I will NOT shut up, but I am happy to fly, 206 or whatever.
Wish I could take you on a little aerobatics course........
I suppose reading is on your long list of deficiencies as is your obvious dislike of women.
Polital correctness? You chastise people for being kind and decent.
I really feel sorry for you...
And no ,I will NOT shut up, but I am happy to fly, 206 or whatever.
Wish I could take you on a little aerobatics course........
Last edited by Cass; 06-26-2006 at 04:06 PM.
06-27-2006, 05:11 AM
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On the aviation degree i am 100 percent with all of the others.
On that same note I have almost completed my Associates in an aviation field, but i will tell you why.....
It is only because
Through military education and experience for some crazy reason my college approved 36 credits, although they only applied 16 towards the elective side.
Through CLEP and DANTES testing i was able to do every single one of my general education classes through a few simple, truly idiot proof test
Through just aquiring ratings through commercial and your CFII etc and the ground school included it covers the remainder of the required courses.
The only classes i had to physically take and attend was a political and ethical values class and an advanced weather class.
Do i think this degree is worth anything as far as experience? Absolutely not, I only had to physically go to two classes, i think it was a joke. But it is a piece of paper that is a stepping stone towards something else.
I will plan on getting my Bachelors in business or something general through distance learning or online classes throughout the remainder of my training just so i have something else to fall back on.
Just my two cents on the aviation degree thing. I know as well as the next person that what i learn in college will not really help me in a career, but i do know that the piece of paper that you get for completing 120 or so credits will help, so whatever it takes to get achieve that piece of paper in the shortest time possible works for me.
Ok i guess i lied, i am not quite done yet......
That route worked for me because i am military and i have some SERIOUS time constraints with this whole war on terror doodad going on HOWEVER.... If you are young, in your late teens or early 20's GO TO COLLEGE. I did not attend but my wife did and so did all of my friends. It was the time of their lives and it gives you 4 more years to have fun and party and make new friends and experience new things and providing you are not going to be a brain surgeon it is not that difficult. Go to college and get a part time job to pay for your flight training on the side up to your CFI, then be a CFI as a part time job and work on the remainder of your ratings while building hours. Now that is exactly what i would have done if i could go back and do it all over again.
On that same note I have almost completed my Associates in an aviation field, but i will tell you why.....
It is only because
Through military education and experience for some crazy reason my college approved 36 credits, although they only applied 16 towards the elective side.
Through CLEP and DANTES testing i was able to do every single one of my general education classes through a few simple, truly idiot proof test
Through just aquiring ratings through commercial and your CFII etc and the ground school included it covers the remainder of the required courses.
The only classes i had to physically take and attend was a political and ethical values class and an advanced weather class.
Do i think this degree is worth anything as far as experience? Absolutely not, I only had to physically go to two classes, i think it was a joke. But it is a piece of paper that is a stepping stone towards something else.
I will plan on getting my Bachelors in business or something general through distance learning or online classes throughout the remainder of my training just so i have something else to fall back on.
Just my two cents on the aviation degree thing. I know as well as the next person that what i learn in college will not really help me in a career, but i do know that the piece of paper that you get for completing 120 or so credits will help, so whatever it takes to get achieve that piece of paper in the shortest time possible works for me.
Ok i guess i lied, i am not quite done yet......
That route worked for me because i am military and i have some SERIOUS time constraints with this whole war on terror doodad going on HOWEVER.... If you are young, in your late teens or early 20's GO TO COLLEGE. I did not attend but my wife did and so did all of my friends. It was the time of their lives and it gives you 4 more years to have fun and party and make new friends and experience new things and providing you are not going to be a brain surgeon it is not that difficult. Go to college and get a part time job to pay for your flight training on the side up to your CFI, then be a CFI as a part time job and work on the remainder of your ratings while building hours. Now that is exactly what i would have done if i could go back and do it all over again.
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