What do you mean by this? I am assuming that they met all the minimums?
So if you do meet the mins but weren't hired then there is no valid reason?
I'm sure that I am misinterpeting your post.

USMCFLYR

 

Maybe to them, but I'm sure that SWA HR had a reason to. Most applicants will never know what they did wrong to get the heave ho.

Story to make the point: Knew a guy who did the hiring for a legacy. In the interview, there were two captains and a young girl from HR. The only person in the room with a say was the girl, and any applicant who did not make eye contact with her, or treated her as an equal to the captains wasn't hired. The thought process was that if you couldn't accept her as an equal, you would have difficulty accepting a female's authority.

Plenty of guys walked out of there shocked, because they had schmoozed those guys like no ones business and never once made eye contact with her, and to this day, they have no idea what went wrong.

 

USMCFLYR,

If SWA has 10 openings and 1000 apps from fully qualified pilots, what selection method would be best to use?

Presumably you could eliminate half the candidates for typos, or poor grammar, or penmanship on their application.

You could chop off another two hundred or so because they wore brown shoes instead of black to the interview.

Drop another two hundred simply because they do not live in a SWA city. Kinda unfair, but that still leaves 100 candidates for ten jobs.

Its not at all unimaginable that SWA would eliminate qualified candidates for reasons irrelevant to the position, merely to arrive at a manageable number of candidates.

 

Absolutely - and SWA would find those perfectly good reasons to cut the pool down. Those would be valid reasons to SWA. Not all of those people are going to get a job - so you are saying that ANYONE not hired was for an invalild reason? If SWA has that many applicants for that many jobs then only so many are hired - whether those not hired think the reasons are valid or not. I'm sure they don't think so.
I've asaked before whether applicants are told WHY they don't get the job in any interview. I've been told by HR folks that part of the reason is liability. If a cnadidate doesn't knwo why they weren't hired - how do they know if there was a valid reason or not?

I'm wondering if someone who makes a statement like the one above has ever sat on a selection board of ANY kind. What would be thier answer if those not selected would tell him/her that there was no valid reason for not selecting said person. I'd bet that selection board member would have a reason. Same applies here IMO.

USMCFLYR

 

Heyas,

FWIW, Braniff (at least the version people normally think of) went TU in 1982, not 1989 like some had posted.

Also in the late 80's PanAm was in serious rewind.

I seriously doubt our intrepid Skyhigh saw ANYONE carring those "uniform bags" around.

Nu

 

It is true I thought that an airline career was going to be the rock to build a full life upon. I expected it to possibly even improve access to family life.

Apparently it is supposed to be your entire life. People need to know that. We are all here to learn something.

The pilot lifestyle: A disconnected, disenfranchised, lonesome, occasionally impoverished, and often expatriate, never ending life on the road.

Skyhigh

 

Another overgeneralized, exaggerated, and negative to the extreme OPINION.

I've suggested to you over and over that you would reach more people with your *message* if you weren't so obviously extreme in your views.
You state that your purpose is to educated - but you do more harm than good with your approach.

Just tell the truth and admit like you like the attention you get when people argue with you.

People - if some of you believe a statement like this then I highly encourage you to leave this industry or seek professional help.

USMCFLYR

 

Fill in the blank, many professions fit this profile. (Maybe not the expat part.)

I knew full well what this career held when I undertook it in the early eighties.

The message has always been out there.

 

Also true for the military, long haul trucking, Alaskan fisherman, regional salesman, and dozens of others.

Yes, one needs to know that a job in the transportation industry means one will not be home every night. Kinda like one who aspires to be a doctor should be able to handle the sight of blood.

But, DUH, it is transportation! If you don't realize you will be away from home much of the time, whose fault is that?

For the record, there are flying jobs that don't require travel (sight seeing, traffic watch, lifting parachutists, banner patrol, and some air ambulance), but they don't carry the "Glamor" or the stereotypical pay of being an airline pilot.

So, yes, people that want to be airline pilots need to understand they will be away from home much of the time, and miss Billy's birthday, and miss holidays.

But it sounds to me, you, Sky, didn't realize that, wanted the industry to change to meet your desires, and now are whining about how cruel the industry is. I have had three xmases off since 1992, it isn't fun, but I have learned to open presents over the phone, or make some other date "the day". I don't like it, but until someone pays me to sit on my butt and watch tv, I will deal with it.

Get over it!! the life wasn't for you. Go find a job as a manager at the local A&P working 7 to 3, earn your 38K, be happy, and leave those of us who enjoy our work to the business of flying.

j

 

I don't think your describing a pilot's lifestyle, I think you may just be describing your outlook on your life. I could be wrong though, however I have always been a believer that the person who is truly happy and content with his or her life doesn't constantly tell the world about it. On the other hand, the person who is constantly trying to tell other people how to live their lives, while constantly reaffirming the decisions they've made, are the one's who are truly unhappy and miserable.